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it doesn't involve aliens at all it was

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completely silent it comes right over

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our head it's so classic flying-saucer

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really standing in the clearing he

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turned over to my father and held his

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hand and he looked in his eyes and said

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we're not alone welcome to podcast UFO

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for our live show during the show feel

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free to participate live in our chat

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room and don't forget to like us on our

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welcome to the show

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I'm Martyn Willis your host and we have

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a great show for you today

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Alejandro couldn't make it it's just

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myself and my guest

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chase klutz key always enjoy talking to

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her she's a lot of fun and I feel she's

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a friend and we are going to be talking

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about this is our Happy New Year show

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we're gonna be talking a bit a little

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year and then of the future ahead and

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Rojas we do a yearly year-in-review

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this coming week but the week after I

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believe so that's always a lot of fun so

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you can check that out on open minds TV

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is a New Year show I do when I

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appreciate everyone that helps out with

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the show it really means a lot I

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couldn't do it without you and with that

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welcome to the show chase thank you it's

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so exciting to be here especially for

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the new year's show that's wouldn't be

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anywhere else yeah

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yes and it was a quite an interesting

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year indeed wasn't it

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I think obviously it was one of our

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biggest years when it came to

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information and change and excitement so

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much happened in 2018 I think so I think

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so now for the listener it's the who

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it's the first time I know you've been

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on several times but we have new

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listeners all the time can you kind of

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explain your background and

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who is chase well I bet he you followed

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you since 1994 and I joined MUFON in

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1996 and you know have had various jobs

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throughout this organization for many

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many years a couple decades actually but

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you know I also have a big presence and

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it's trained very active in other kind

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of side projects I love exploration and

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with my forte and specialty being

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forensics and evidence collection it's

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led me to exquisite places such as Peru

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the Amazon Bolivia extracting all sorts

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of DNA and evidence and physical trace

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components to things that we're really

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trying to solve some of these mysteries

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yes and I remember talking about some of

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the stories of your exploration really

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exciting you were having a ball and I do

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you feel like in some of those countries

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you feel like there's a little bit of

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danger how does that house that I don't

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think I've ever been to South America

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without some sort of incident we had I

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was with LA's exploration team a couple

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years back and we were just crossing the

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border into Bolivia and these two agents

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came and pulled la loire zuly aaron

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judkins and myself away from the group

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but the group was you know so focused on

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kind of maneuver and to get through the

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crowd to get to our bus they didn't

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notice we were taken so instead of going

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back to the passport building we just

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left they actually brought us down this

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little path to this dilapidated building

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set la and Erin out in like a hallway

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where these two folding chairs one with

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even broken and leaning terrible little

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place and then brought me to the back

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and shut the door and I knew I added a

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little bit of trouble at that point the

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Bolivian agent asked me to empty my

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pockets and empty everything out of my

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purse and as I'm doing this I'm hearing

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like chaos in the background like

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something being ridiculous and it loud

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and all of a sudden the door comes pop

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it open like they busted through the

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door and it was LA and Aaron if they're

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just screaming and yelling and making a

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lot of noise like you're not keeping her

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back here by yourself what do you guys

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want you know what what is this about

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realizing thank goodness that I was with

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men you know who weren't afraid to kick

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it up and take a chance instead of be

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doing what they were told because it was

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very clear that they brought us to an

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area that they needed to be quiet as

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well they didn't want others to see what

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they were doing so it was illegal so

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they just made noise you know creating

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that kind of attention they didn't want

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and they literally let us go he said you

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know put it back in your pocket get out

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so very grateful that you know we have

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explorers and and investigators that we

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really take care of each other when

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we're out there I know do I remember

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right that you have a background also

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and self-defense or something like yeah

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yeah it's you you already in a little

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trouble when you're sizing up people

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you're around when you're already

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looking like alright I could take him

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then we have to remember you know we're

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in their territory you know almost

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everything we do we probably wouldn't

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get away with because we stand out like

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sore thumbs you know so if there's a lot

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of diplomacy and just knowing you know

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where you are you know what you what you

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can do it's it really is an alertness

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surroundings at all times there's no

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soldiers a couple of places I've been

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were their soldiers with automatic

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weapons is always very intimidating to

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ease yeah it's like some of these

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country they just don't play I you know

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way they do things

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boja gurus and Inca and eco quest

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enterprises with Timothy albariño it's

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his group and that was really

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interesting because you know we put

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boots on the ground and in places that

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had never seen humans before so it was

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dangerous thing I've ever done and I

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can't wait to do it again

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if these guys were everything from the

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bullet ants to the terrain it was

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treacherous and dangerous and just

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amazing but again you know with people

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that know what they're doing and and and

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how to negotiate and be around some of

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this my niece has done some exploring

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and places that I wouldn't go and talked

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about you know parasites and I don't

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and everything wanted to eat us right

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plants yeah animals insects I mean

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everything wants to eat you out there

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poisonous you right and they're so cute

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cute little bug they're like don't touch

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that it's most people you know a buddy

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ever and so it's interesting but Timothy

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investigator and Explorer as well and he

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runs a conference every year in Branson

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Missouri with Steve quale and it's gen 6

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and of course that's um a playoff

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Genesis 6 so it's a huge conference it's

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sold out every year for the last three

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years at 3,000 people and their live

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group of people that are just so

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interested in a topic yeah okay well we

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better steer a little bit into the UFO

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topic since the show so I know I'd like

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to end the show you know talking about

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you know UFOs forward and you know 2 9

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interesting year myself another one but

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can you also I I hate to put this on you

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but I just love you talking briefly in a

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nutshell about the most amazing

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experience one of the most expand its in

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my intro and everything the the

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cornfield can you can you kind of bring

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that up again because again there's a

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lot of people have never heard your your

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story before it it still remains one of

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the biggest things that ever happened to

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me as an investigator and this was 2010

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about spring April late April May and I

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was called out to an investigation one

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of the witnesses reported into MUFON and

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he was witnessing all sorts of things

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from these orbs of light for lack of

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better word orbs but these balls of

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light that you know he and his cousins

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were chased down the roads and you know

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these are you know very very rural

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isolated farm land and and ranches way

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way back in Tennessee and you know

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triangles there was a lot of things that

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you know he was reporting on a daily

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basis and of course I was stalled

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getting out there for a couple of weeks

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because there was an epic flood the what

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they call the thousand-year flood from

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Memphis to Nashville so it really ruined

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our passage to the area on you know most

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of it anyway but I got there and

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eventually from the minute I stepped out

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of my vehicle he pulled me and the other

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investigator to the end of his driveway

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and you know was looking up and said oh

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my gosh you know this is this is what we

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see and I look up and there's these

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little little specks of light starting

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to pop out they were clearly different

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colors as well and they would form these

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patterns

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and kind of maneuver as one unit but

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then they would separate and kind of

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dance around and if you got tired of

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this little group there was another one

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here and another one on another piece of

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the sky but there were several of these

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going on and the witness and at this

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point you know I've done my pad out look

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in if we're like looking for satellites

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and you all sorts of things meteor

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showers give me anything I'm already

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seeing things that I think are awesome

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this is what we're looking for you know

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bright angles that kind of maneuvering

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in the sky is exactly what you follow

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just are I'm trying to catch but then he

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tells me that he has a cornfield and

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it's just down the road and it's huge so

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you kind of have this big open panoramic

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view of it's unobstructed you can see so

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much of the sky and at that point the

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corn was only about four or five inches

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high so it's no pliable so we could

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drive on it walk on it not gonna hurt

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any crops but it was flatland you know

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there was nothing there to instruct so

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down there and it wasn't long

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you know we're setting up equipment

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getting everything done but you know it

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was eventually you know a light appeared

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in the distance and you know he's all

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excited oh my gosh yes you know chase

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chase chase this is what you know I

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wanted you to come out to see and I see

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this one light and it's white and it's

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coming towards us and I'm freaking

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excited I'm picking up my camera is I'm

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trying to you know take pictures

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nothing's working

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my Trifield meter nothing it's all dead

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so at this point I'm thinking oh my gosh

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it's that battery drain that we

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experience often and UFO investigations

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as well as paranormal sometimes even

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Bigfoot investigations but we you know

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it it kept coming it didn't stop the

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event pretty soon two other lights up

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here and I just I can't believe it

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there's three of them three objects or

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are coming this way and then I realize

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Martin as it gets closer

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it's it's one object it's so clearly a

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triangle at this point there's just one

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object not only does it black out the

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stars but as it's coming closer it you

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just it's different it's just different

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the the way it moves it's hard to

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explain it's not drifting floating

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flying toad it's just different and

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we're just standing there I'm still

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trying to pick up cameras I'm still

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trying to do something with it but you

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know this triangle literally flew over

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that cornfield right over our heads and

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eventually went off into the distance

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now how many God there was two other

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people there beside you at the time in

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the cornfield

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yes his cousins were on the sidelines

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yeah

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yes they saw the triangle absolutely and

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then all of a sudden that you know

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there's a reaching down after the craft

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is gone of course and I'm reaching down

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looking at my equipment and I'm so

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frustrated like I made it I was already

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ready to drop a bomb in fact I think I

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did one or two because I'm so frustrated

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because it's right there you know I have

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all the equipment in the world and it

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was useless absolutely useless and it's

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so frustrating as an investigator

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because nobody cares what I think as an

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investigator no one cares what I believe

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and I didn't want just another story we

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have tens of thousands of stories we

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need evidence so anyway I decided I pick

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up my cameras they're all back online it

333
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wasn't a battery drain I don't know what

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happened

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but everything was back full power

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everything was working but at that point

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I remember it was the Trifield yes my

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Trifield meter and I just decided change

339
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of batteries anyway I just got nervous

340
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with trusting that so imma Trifield

341
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meter the one that I have you have to

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unscrew the battery case and I was doing

343
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that and all of a sudden I just got this

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really really paranoid

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feeling of just someone was watching and

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I said out loud hey guys does anyone

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else feel like you're being watched and

348
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I don't mean down here and about that

349
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time Martin it was like this physical

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thing it was this physical

351
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transformation that just kind of pounded

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into the body

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I felt something enter and it was terror

354
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absolute terror and at that moment I

355
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went from very excited seeing this

356
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triangle you know we were happy dancing

357
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you know this this was no joke we had

358
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just seen something that's not supposed

359
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to exist right into this feeling every

360
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cell of my body was absolutely

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terrorized absolutely terrified and it

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was physical and I just remember turning

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and running as I'm running I I just

364
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remember hitting something really hard

365
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it turned out to be the witness who had

366
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stopped he was in front of me and it's

367
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funny morning because I the other thing

368
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I really remember was the strangest

369
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thing it was this light as I'm running

370
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this light is just doing this that's

371
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right but in this you and it turned out

372
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to be the witness running with

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flashlights yeah so yeah all of a sudden

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he stops I run into him smack in the

375
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back I don't even know how we were still

376
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standing I really hit him hard and I

377
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grabbed the back of his shirt and I

378
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remember him saying something like what

379
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the what the f is this and he takes his

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left hand and he swings it out and about

381
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six feet from us was this little being

382
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and I remember the very first thing that

383
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went through my mind was oh my god it's

384
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not that cute little while as well guy

385
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so and after one one thousand two that's

386
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the time frame that we stood and we

387
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looked I look straight into this being

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we we started running again and we

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jumped in his truck we went back to his

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driveway and we all kind of tumbled

391
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like wait a minute what just happened we

392
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saw a bee at this point Martin we had to

393
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call the state director at the time was

394
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Eddie Middleton and the other

395
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investigator was on the phone making the

396
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call to him to let him know you know

397
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what just happened because we're now

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witnesses we can't talk to each other

399
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and compare notes until you know we've

400
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been interviewed separately but I can

401
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tell you that we were back in that

402
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cornfield within 30 minutes of leaving

403
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it now the thing that frustrates me the

404
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most is people aren't listening

405
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sometimes when we tell the story they're

406
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like oh my god she ran away from an

407
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alien no we didn't we had this

408
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controlled fear or this fear that

409
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whatever that was we had no control we

410
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did exactly what we were supposed to

411
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whatever reason I am sure after all

412
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these years we were not supposed to be

413
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in that field at the time and I'm not

414
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sure if it was a triangle or you know

415
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the being or whatever it was out there

416
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the other thing is we didn't run away

417
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from that being we ran towards it it's

418
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why it was only six feet away so this

419
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wasn't being afraid of contacting or

420
00:19:11,390 --> 00:19:07,500
afraid of that being no one knew he was

421
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there when we was the being between you

422
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:14,310
and the vehicles where you parked it was

423
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off to the side we weren't running

424
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towards the vehicles but if we were more

425
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Adam as well as the vehicle would be 12

426
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o'clock we were running more at 10:00 we

427
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were running more at Number ten and we

428
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get to that spot there's the being and

429
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then we're back into the vehicle it was

430
00:19:38,540 --> 00:19:36,450
about two weeks before I realized that

431
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the other investigator never saw the

432
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being she was already by the time we all

433
00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:44,390
turned and ran at the exact same time

434
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same direction everything she was

435
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:49,380
already ahead of where that being was at

436
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:52,290
the time Wow and I didn't know that for

437
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two weeks I just assumed she saw it too

438
00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:57,300
but um you know she didn't and of course

439
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we didn't really talk

440
00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:00,160
to each other because we weren't

441
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supposed to until we were debriefed by

442
00:20:12,030 --> 00:20:07,330
other investigators but um did you ever

443
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compare stories to the you were

444
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,980
interviewed yes I'm not until after we

445
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were interviewed and that's what I meant

446
00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:17,200
yeah

447
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yes well then you know I promised the

448
00:20:25,770 --> 00:20:23,050
witness as soon as that was completed we

449
00:20:28,350 --> 00:20:25,780
could compare stories and we actually

450
00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:28,360
had a really small little conference in

451
00:20:33,570 --> 00:20:31,240
Tennessee and Eddie wanted us to talk

452
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:33,580
about this case and it was it was too

453
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soon you know emotionally yeah I don't

454
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:39,610
know I just we weren't ready but we did

455
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it anyway and we laid out the case with

456
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all the facts

457
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Eddie was there the chief investigator

458
00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:48,040
at the time max Mitchell he came out to

459
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the site I mean there was plenty of

460
00:20:54,690 --> 00:20:52,060
MUFON investigators that and come out

461
00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:54,700
and you know check things out you know

462
00:20:59,400 --> 00:20:56,440
my husband had been there I mean there

463
00:21:01,140 --> 00:20:59,410
was you know a lot of investigation

464
00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:01,150
after I think people missed that because

465
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they love to hear about what happened in

466
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the cornfield um and they forget that

467
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:10,180
there were months of inquiry and

468
00:21:19,470 --> 00:21:14,730
investigation and you know forensic type

469
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work in that cornfield after and you

470
00:21:23,730 --> 00:21:21,160
know it's just to this day it's still a

471
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mystery when you talk about does it kind

472
00:21:28,050 --> 00:21:25,990
of give you anxiety and even now it

473
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:28,060
really does and could tell a little bit

474
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yeah yeah and I'm you try hard you know

475
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to stay calm when and and I don't know

476
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:36,640
why Martin it's like so long it's been

477
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:39,970
several years and I still get a knot in

478
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my stomach when we get to the point of

479
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seeing that you know a little being or

480
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it's mostly the fear that's something I

481
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wouldn't wish that on anybody and it's

482
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such an odd feeling because as hard as

483
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we remember and this is something I did

484
00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:56,740
talk with the witness and the other

485
00:22:01,950 --> 00:21:59,170
investigator how long did that fear last

486
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:01,960
I don't know when it left I don't know I

487
00:22:06,810 --> 00:22:04,450
just remember I knew it hit me I

488
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:06,820
remember turning I saw everyone else

489
00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:09,250
turn at the same time no one said what

490
00:22:12,150 --> 00:22:11,590
was that oh my god run nobody said

491
00:22:15,330 --> 00:22:12,160
anything

492
00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:15,340
like that we all just did it turn and

493
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:17,740
started running the witness and I ran

494
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:20,650
straight to that being you know and

495
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:21,730
that's something you know you've

496
00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:27,760
realized after the more people you know

497
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:30,190
thousands without exaggerating Martin

498
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:31,570
thousands of people have written me

499
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:34,210
called me talk to me pulled me aside and

500
00:22:40,410 --> 00:22:37,510
said I know that fear I felt that it's

501
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:40,420
so hard to describe because it is every

502
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:44,080
cell in your body understands terror and

503
00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:47,410
nothing else it's excruciating it's an

504
00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:51,310
extraordinary feeling never had it since

505
00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:54,550
or before no that was it well that was

506
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it

507
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I could tell you that when I talk about

508
00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:01,240
it I feel like I start sensing a little

509
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:03,640
bit of what that felt like but it's

510
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:05,410
never even gotten close I mean you know

511
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:07,450
if this wasn't quite a flight this

512
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:11,650
wasn't we were scared and you know it

513
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:13,210
wasn't anything like that and the

514
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:15,250
witness you have to realize this is a

515
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:19,090
real man man you know he he brought a

516
00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:21,370
big shotgun when we got out of the truck

517
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and I'm setting up a little equipment he

518
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:25,450
brings out this huge shotgun and I just

519
00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:28,450
kind of look at him like uh like I'm

520
00:23:32,790 --> 00:23:30,820
looking at that point like like how

521
00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:32,800
stupid is this two girls jumping a car

522
00:23:36,150 --> 00:23:34,390
like what are we gonna do we go to a

523
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:36,160
cornfield with this guy we don't know

524
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:38,290
because we just trust everything they're

525
00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:41,170
telling us which isn't exactly true he's

526
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,980
very credible but you know and he to

527
00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:47,200
look on my face he says no no no chase

528
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:49,150
don't worry you know this is we have a

529
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,290
problem with coyotes so in case you know

530
00:23:58,620 --> 00:23:55,120
they come upon us you know I can take

531
00:23:59,820 --> 00:23:58,630
care of he never said if we see coyotes

532
00:24:01,620 --> 00:23:59,830
you're gonna have to run and get in the

533
00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:01,630
truck you bought it you bought it

534
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:04,270
a rifle or a shotgun or whatever it was

535
00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:08,010
it was just a big old gun and he I

536
00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:10,390
realized at that point they don't dial

537
00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:11,950
nine-one-one they take care of

538
00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:14,560
themselves out there it's so rural by

539
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:16,300
the time anyone would come out to help

540
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:19,090
whatever was going on is over yeah so

541
00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:21,850
they're mostly calling police to you

542
00:24:26,220 --> 00:24:24,190
know clean up or tell what happened

543
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:26,230
but these aren't guys that are used to

544
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:29,049
asking people are running away or you

545
00:24:34,619 --> 00:24:32,289
know they stand their ground and and I

546
00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:34,629
do really I know you can't disclose who

547
00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:37,929
it is but I do remember that you told me

548
00:24:44,249 --> 00:24:40,840
that this was someone that is known law

549
00:24:46,590 --> 00:24:44,259
for his profession absolutely yeah

550
00:24:48,389 --> 00:24:46,600
and and it's one of the reasons he was

551
00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:48,399
desperate serious it's one of the

552
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:50,200
reasons the case was kind of shut down a

553
00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:52,809
little is because it started becoming a

554
00:24:57,509 --> 00:24:54,940
circus which is something I promised him

555
00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:57,519
it is so rural out there that even my

556
00:25:01,379 --> 00:24:59,590
vehicle being strange driving down the

557
00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:01,389
road caught attention of everybody who's

558
00:25:07,409 --> 00:25:02,830
that what are they doing here who are

559
00:25:08,730 --> 00:25:07,419
they going to go visit and yeah and you

560
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,740
know when you start getting a lot of

561
00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:11,200
people and a lot of inquiry and you know

562
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:12,460
these strange people what are they doing

563
00:25:16,889 --> 00:25:15,250
in that cornfield you know it's starting

564
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:16,899
to turn it into a circus and we had to

565
00:25:23,970 --> 00:25:20,940
shut it down because his identity

566
00:25:27,499 --> 00:25:23,980
associated with the UFO event was

567
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,509
absolutely I think that thought just

568
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,919
terrified him to the point where he'd

569
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,600
back off and say I don't know what

570
00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:33,279
you're talking about I mean it was just

571
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:36,190
ridiculous but um I do have a feeling

572
00:25:40,590 --> 00:25:38,769
he'll come out eventually it may be a

573
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:40,600
couple more years I hope it's tomorrow

574
00:25:49,259 --> 00:25:45,450
because you know the other investigator

575
00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:49,269
you know she uh she left shortly after

576
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:51,220
that and she doesn't talk about it and

577
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,529
it's kind of I'm the only one that's

578
00:25:58,700 --> 00:25:56,080
really talking about what happened that

579
00:26:00,539 --> 00:25:58,710
night and it'd be nice to have something

580
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:00,549
collaboration the witness coming out

581
00:26:04,619 --> 00:26:01,870
would be so great so I'm waiting for

582
00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:04,629
that I really am waiting no how could

583
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:06,220
you go back there you said you're back

584
00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:07,360
there in 30 minutes

585
00:26:14,369 --> 00:26:11,820
with that feeling of you know terror

586
00:26:16,019 --> 00:26:14,379
previously there I just don't know when

587
00:26:18,509 --> 00:26:16,029
it left by the time we got out of the

588
00:26:20,850 --> 00:26:18,519
truck Martin it was gone I don't know if

589
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:20,860
it left in the truck or at what point

590
00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:24,490
all I know is by the time we got to the

591
00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:27,820
driveway and we were out I realized oh

592
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,870
wait a minute

593
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:31,120
like I'm kind of thinking back to normal

594
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:35,100
you know it was like why did we do that

595
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:37,690
but by the time we got out of that

596
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,170
corner

597
00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:40,480
nobody had that theory board there was

598
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:45,940
none of that so realizing you know that

599
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:48,880
I probably I got more excited about the

600
00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:50,710
fact that oh my gosh

601
00:26:53,610 --> 00:26:52,390
there was an entity on the ground there

602
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,620
was this being on the ground there's

603
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:55,360
footprints forensic evidence I mean I'm

604
00:26:59,340 --> 00:26:57,130
back in investigator mode I need to get

605
00:27:01,080 --> 00:26:59,350
back in that cornfield that's what I was

606
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:01,090
thinking about hadn't even really

607
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:03,970
processed the beer yet you know or even

608
00:27:08,970 --> 00:27:07,030
afraid it was coming back so you know

609
00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:08,980
going back to that field was just I was

610
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:11,500
excited I needed to get back and get

611
00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:14,110
that evidence and of course it wasn't on

612
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:16,840
all fours yeah

613
00:27:22,110 --> 00:27:20,320
and the the description I remember

614
00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:22,120
you're describing the being you said you

615
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,460
saw for just a flash and I remember you

616
00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:25,840
saying something about the legs looking

617
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:27,400
almost like stick legs or something

618
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:30,400
really tiny like it's really stood out

619
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:33,330
Martin because you know this being was

620
00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:37,200
small about three and a half feet I

621
00:27:43,770 --> 00:27:40,360
don't really remember seeing the arms

622
00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:43,780
I'm sure he had them but his legs were

623
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:46,270
so twig like they didn't make sense

624
00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:48,730
since probably why it stood out they

625
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:50,680
weren't a pile his body when I say twig

626
00:27:55,710 --> 00:27:53,710
it's like thinner than my pinky and you

627
00:27:58,740 --> 00:27:55,720
know these little and and of course now

628
00:28:00,450 --> 00:27:58,750
realizing you know with the night shots

629
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:00,460
going back you know with the flashlights

630
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:03,250
we realized that the angle that we like

631
00:28:07,890 --> 00:28:05,890
hit him it was shadowed you know his

632
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:07,900
legs are probably normal I just yeah we

633
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:09,370
just saw the little parts that weren't

634
00:28:16,770 --> 00:28:13,930
lit up and you know the other thing that

635
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:16,780
I couldn't stop thinking about there

636
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:19,170
were two things on the way home one was

637
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:22,690
that didn't make sense because that

638
00:28:28,110 --> 00:28:25,270
cornfields was so dark this guy was

639
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:28,120
amazing you know with all the stars and

640
00:28:34,020 --> 00:28:30,460
it was such a clear beautiful evening

641
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:34,030
and how do you go from that dark to this

642
00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:37,330
halogen you know normal you know most

643
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:38,740
everybody has in their vehicle

644
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:43,330
flashlights six feet from your face from

645
00:28:49,050 --> 00:28:45,730
that dark tube a mule bless it with this

646
00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:49,060
big halogen light and not move it the

647
00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:51,640
being when I saw it seemed completely on

648
00:29:24,240 --> 00:28:51,940
a

649
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:24,250
those cousins were out there but they

650
00:29:28,890 --> 00:29:25,570
stayed at the sidelines

651
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:28,900
what if they brought that be now and set

652
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:32,350
that little thing up and you know we you

653
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:34,330
know didn't see it for some reason

654
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:36,510
walking up because it was a little off

655
00:29:41,970 --> 00:29:39,610
you know and they waited for that to

656
00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:41,980
happen but it doesn't explain the fear

657
00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:43,900
it doesn't explain the triangle it

658
00:29:49,050 --> 00:29:45,880
doesn't explain a lot of that but when I

659
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:49,060
came back I saw exactly because remember

660
00:29:53,910 --> 00:29:51,040
this is right after the waters receded

661
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:53,920
from that flood yeah so we had

662
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:55,930
footprints everywhere it was it was

663
00:29:59,970 --> 00:29:57,610
muddy not the type where you're kickin

664
00:30:02,040 --> 00:29:59,980
up mud but it was soft enough I saw

665
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:02,050
every footprint we made I could tell

666
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:04,060
where we where I hit him where he

667
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:07,930
stopped there were no footprints coming

668
00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:10,030
here so in other words the cousins

669
00:30:15,150 --> 00:30:13,150
couldn't have brought a fake being out

670
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:15,160
there yeah you know and to tell you the

671
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:20,080
truth when we left I don't even I don't

672
00:30:23,670 --> 00:30:22,270
even remember seeing the cousins get

673
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:23,680
into their vehicle or anything because

674
00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:25,810
they had one out there I don't remember

675
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:27,550
any of that I just remember us getting

676
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:31,090
in the truck and we left so fast we

677
00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:33,250
caught air coming out before we landed

678
00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:36,790
on you know the main road a country main

679
00:30:42,780 --> 00:30:39,550
road to get back to his house and we

680
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:42,790
caught air and I remember the cousins

681
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:44,590
kind of driving by after we had already

682
00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:47,170
pulled in and they went home they didn't

683
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:48,280
even stop they're gone

684
00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:50,410
and they also would not talk to anybody

685
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:52,780
about it after they they were terrified

686
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:55,980
they shut down they didn't want anything

687
00:31:00,900 --> 00:30:58,990
they did come out and meet the state

688
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:00,910
director Eddie Middleton and they Eddie

689
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:04,330
got to talk to them a little bit just

690
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:05,620
enough to acknowledge

691
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:08,440
that they were there and they saw a

692
00:31:16,049 --> 00:31:11,530
triangle again by the way again they'd

693
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:16,059
see many I saw one you know so yeah it's

694
00:31:22,049 --> 00:31:20,080
just yeah I look for all of that stuff

695
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:22,059
no the other thing I couldn't stop

696
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:23,710
thinking about on the way home Martin

697
00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:25,290
was um

698
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:29,320
bullcrap nobody gets everything in one

699
00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:31,090
night there's something wrong with that

700
00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:34,030
evening and to this day I feel like that

701
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:35,950
I feel like there's something wrong I

702
00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:38,490
can't find it but I'm still looking

703
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:41,950
digging in a little bit I've never not

704
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:48,910
had this experience kind of on my on my

705
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:51,820
mind no matter where where I go who I'm

706
00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:53,650
talking to what I'm doing it's always

707
00:31:59,610 --> 00:31:56,950
there so I you know I'm still trying to

708
00:32:03,480 --> 00:31:59,620
figure out what happened but I'm the

709
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:03,490
first one to admit man you know I wish I

710
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:05,250
had something better to say like a

711
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:09,940
normal UFO experience something that's

712
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:12,250
more common things that we hear all the

713
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:17,070
time but it's not it's the craziest

714
00:32:22,919 --> 00:32:20,559
evening that makes absolutely no sense I

715
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:22,929
can't make heads or tails of what was

716
00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:25,570
going on did the triangle caused the

717
00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:27,580
fear was it the being was it a

718
00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:29,380
combination you know and then there's

719
00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:30,940
always that thought that I didn't

720
00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:33,300
understand until a little later and

721
00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:35,620
you'll you'll know this one Martin

722
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:37,900
because when we talked to experiencers

723
00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:42,850
or abductees we hear often that they can

724
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:47,800
feel what that being is feeling and all

725
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:52,090
of a sudden it hit me oh my god what if

726
00:32:57,919 --> 00:32:55,330
that fear that was not human

727
00:33:01,440 --> 00:32:57,929
it was so extraordinary it was

728
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:01,450
tremendous terror was actually what that

729
00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:05,200
being was feeling and it was just

730
00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:10,420
projected on to us and it's I can't even

731
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:12,940
process that right now I mean I it's in

732
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:15,490
my head I just can't go there not yet

733
00:33:21,369 --> 00:33:18,559
now you said earlier when you star

734
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:21,379
talking about this you said that nobody

735
00:33:28,659 --> 00:33:27,049
cares about what you believe or feel why

736
00:33:30,430 --> 00:33:28,669
would that be I mean you must have had

737
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:30,440
colleagues and move on you you could

738
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:31,970
have called the set oh my god you can't

739
00:33:35,950 --> 00:33:33,740
believe what happened and you know share

740
00:33:38,619 --> 00:33:35,960
the story that way or or does it all

741
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:38,629
have to be just plain documented and and

742
00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:41,450
that's it like I said well I met more

743
00:33:44,830 --> 00:33:43,190
like as an investigator you know when

744
00:33:46,690 --> 00:33:44,840
people call me out they don't really

745
00:33:48,249 --> 00:33:46,700
care what I believe about the UFO issue

746
00:33:51,129 --> 00:33:48,259
that's not why they're calling me

747
00:33:52,779 --> 00:33:51,139
they're calling me because or contacting

748
00:33:55,419 --> 00:33:52,789
MUFON you know they didn't even call me

749
00:33:56,769 --> 00:33:55,429
this was a MUFON case you know they want

750
00:33:59,019 --> 00:33:56,779
an investigator they're looking for

751
00:34:01,119 --> 00:33:59,029
answers they don't care what we think or

752
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:01,129
believe you know they they're not

753
00:34:07,450 --> 00:34:04,970
looking for commentary they're looking

754
00:34:09,970 --> 00:34:07,460
for answers and that comes from evidence

755
00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:09,980
so I'm very aware of this that people

756
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:12,740
don't really care you know I don't care

757
00:34:17,409 --> 00:34:14,690
what other investigators believe or

758
00:34:18,819 --> 00:34:17,419
think that you believe that outside you

759
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:18,829
know you come in you have to have an

760
00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:22,790
objective completely clean slate every

761
00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:25,790
new every time you walk into a new case

762
00:34:31,419 --> 00:34:29,480
period and that's you know something

763
00:34:33,609 --> 00:34:31,429
that I think that's what I meant

764
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:33,619
I don't think that's what I meant that's

765
00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:37,520
exactly what I meant is you know you

766
00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:39,800
know so many times your people go in and

767
00:34:44,829 --> 00:34:41,270
well I think this is what happened to

768
00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:44,839
you we need to stop that yeah that's not

769
00:34:50,409 --> 00:34:47,990
helpful yeah I understand yeah yeah but

770
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:50,419
you know obviously this was something

771
00:34:55,950 --> 00:34:53,510
that you know made you very emotional

772
00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:55,960
and and really affected your life and

773
00:35:05,410 --> 00:34:58,550
have you written about this anywhere

774
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,420
like on a lighter no I it's Ryan Sprague

775
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,240
asked for this experience but he was

776
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:11,359
writing a book about personal

777
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:14,750
experiences like the personal what the

778
00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:17,500
takeaway personally on some of these

779
00:35:26,349 --> 00:35:22,760
events with contactees and so I let him

780
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:26,359
write about it but nope I haven't in

781
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:30,140
fact TV all over it they want this story

782
00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:32,130
so bad they've offered to pay

783
00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:35,190
or even recently as of two weeks ago I

784
00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:37,590
actually pulled it and no that's not for

785
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:38,580
sale

786
00:35:49,850 --> 00:35:43,200
this is not entertainment it's real and

787
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:49,860
it's it's it's a mystery that has taken

788
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,920
out an investigator that no longer is

789
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:54,480
involved in the field anymore I don't

790
00:35:59,600 --> 00:35:57,510
know if this event had exactly to do

791
00:36:02,120 --> 00:35:59,610
with that all I know is she's gone got a

792
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,130
car left left family house husband all

793
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:04,560
um really Wow

794
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:06,450
yes yes it's why I say the other

795
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:08,820
investigator and I don't name her name

796
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,450
because she wants so part of it so out

797
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:14,640
of respect I don't keep continue to

798
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:19,320
bring her in you know the witness is

799
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:21,570
still his whole family was affected by

800
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:25,200
the things going on and yeah it's just

801
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:28,050
it's not for sale i I don't know any

802
00:36:33,220 --> 00:36:30,780
other way to put it I I do talk about it

803
00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:33,230
rarely and I talked about it with

804
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:37,350
trusted people like yourself a leandro

805
00:36:42,490 --> 00:36:38,940
you know a couple others that you and I

806
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,540
you know I yeah it's still it's it's

807
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:49,440
it's still something that you know we

808
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:52,050
need to process these things you know it

809
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:53,880
may be a better investigator Martin

810
00:37:01,100 --> 00:36:57,000
because when you see something that hits

811
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:01,110
you so deeply and and I'd even say in

812
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:06,570
your soul it's just something that you

813
00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:09,330
can't just process in three weeks or it

814
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:12,840
takes a while now I wonder if these

815
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:16,260
bigger experiences that we hear about

816
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:18,690
from our experiences contact these and

817
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:22,770
abductees it takes them years decades

818
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:25,140
sometimes to be able to talk about what

819
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:29,310
happened openly I had one night one

820
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:35,490
second and and it yeah it's still with

821
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:37,220
me in such a profound way

822
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,960
imagine having a lifetime of abductions

823
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:41,280
and these types of memories or

824
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:46,610
that's naughty I think it's like you

825
00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:49,980
know you put it in perspective and it's

826
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:52,830
extraordinary yeah and you know the this

827
00:37:57,110 --> 00:37:54,810
the strange thing about you know you

828
00:37:58,850 --> 00:37:57,120
said like all this happening and one

829
00:38:00,340 --> 00:37:58,860
night I was looking at the chat room and

830
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:00,350
someone said it could be

831
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:02,010
interdimensional or something like that

832
00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:04,410
and it's just one of these big huge

833
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:07,830
question marks you know I believe it is

834
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:10,200
I am going on the record and saying that

835
00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:12,420
and I said this before I believe even on

836
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:14,430
your show I don't believe that to get

837
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:16,290
here on a full tank of gas on a Red Bull

838
00:38:20,780 --> 00:38:19,020
I really believe because every amateur

839
00:38:24,220 --> 00:38:20,790
astronomer we'd brought them into our

840
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:24,230
airspace we would watch them enter and

841
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,510
transverse you know from the moon to you

842
00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:29,700
know we could see this now and we're not

843
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:32,790
so it's either cloaking technology or

844
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:34,890
they're using of physics we don't

845
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:37,380
understand and if we're going to be

846
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:40,850
honest and if we're going to finally as

847
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:43,920
ufologists put together some debt in

848
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:45,810
other words what do we know this is a

849
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:49,020
big thing I'm doing in 2019 I'm so sick

850
00:38:54,110 --> 00:38:50,850
of proclamations and guessing and I'm

851
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:54,120
like MUFON is 50 years old this year we

852
00:38:59,290 --> 00:38:56,040
have 50 years of data

853
00:39:03,590 --> 00:38:59,300
eyewitness testimony we have

854
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:03,600
investigations into big things we have

855
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:06,540
contacts all over the world it's time we

856
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:09,330
start using it it's time we start

857
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:12,210
putting this puzzle together so I really

858
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:14,820
have created a think tank Martin where

859
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:17,810
it's we call a strategic review team and

860
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:22,050
I'm really taking a very eclectic group

861
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:27,480
we have an amazing personnel in this we

862
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:30,300
even have the UN prosecuting attorney

863
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:33,720
for more crimes in this think tank yeah

864
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:36,660
this is all through MUFON it is they're

865
00:39:45,070 --> 00:39:38,910
all MUFON members and what we're going

866
00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:45,080
to do is we are going to look at the et

867
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:48,630
hypothesis as a counterintelligence

868
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,050
operation in other words like we're

869
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,240
going to find out about what does this

870
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:56,700
terrorist group what do we know about

871
00:39:59,620 --> 00:39:57,530
them

872
00:40:02,260 --> 00:39:59,630
they do what's their ideology are there

873
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:02,270
anything that they're doing logistically

874
00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:04,310
how do they work and that's how we're

875
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:06,260
going to attack this and I know this is

876
00:40:10,090 --> 00:40:07,970
going to send some people in to the I

877
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:10,100
told you they're infiltrated by the

878
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:12,650
government you know Secret Service or

879
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:15,530
whatever and the truth is this is smart

880
00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:17,810
this is the smart way to go after this

881
00:40:23,350 --> 00:40:20,630
because the first thing we do is what do

882
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:23,360
we know we know their secret we know

883
00:40:29,770 --> 00:40:27,110
their clandestine why what is that what

884
00:40:31,630 --> 00:40:29,780
would what does this mean the second

885
00:40:34,270 --> 00:40:31,640
thing we would answer is well we know

886
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,280
they communicate right they communicate

887
00:40:40,510 --> 00:40:36,800
telepathically they communicate through

888
00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:40,520
binary code crop circles crop circles

889
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:43,550
whoa there's something those are

890
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:46,490
testable scientific evidence because

891
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:48,530
they're different and they're testable

892
00:40:55,210 --> 00:40:52,370
and we're finding code written in them

893
00:40:57,820 --> 00:40:55,220
we have for now all pretty much given us

894
00:41:00,730 --> 00:40:57,830
the same message so do we put this in

895
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:00,740
the worthy column or do we throw it out

896
00:41:08,110 --> 00:41:03,650
so when we start putting together and

897
00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:08,120
and looking at this instead of as you

898
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:11,240
know a big mystery and you know let's

899
00:41:16,330 --> 00:41:13,730
look at it like a reality and let's look

900
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:16,340
at it like we would anything else a

901
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:20,390
brand new hater group or you know how do

902
00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:24,610
we profile and put together and

903
00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:27,320
understand it as a big picture and

904
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:29,630
that's what we're doing in 2019 we've

905
00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:32,960
already started this think tank is you

906
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:36,220
know what do we know what do they do

907
00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:38,570
what are some of the other implications

908
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:40,820
we're going as far as where the claims

909
00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:43,850
you know Betty hill some of the things

910
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:46,390
that she was told let's listen to this

911
00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:49,910
let's listen to this because I know our

912
00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:51,950
answers are going to come from the

913
00:41:57,490 --> 00:41:53,480
eyewitness testimony and the

914
00:41:59,590 --> 00:41:57,500
experiencers plain and simple what what

915
00:42:02,860 --> 00:41:59,600
is the message you said there's two two

916
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:02,870
messages that are well this for like in

917
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:04,430
the in the crop circles

918
00:42:09,029 --> 00:42:08,210
remember the typical gray head and prop

919
00:42:12,179 --> 00:42:09,039
circle with the

920
00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:12,189
disk yep and then we have and we also

921
00:42:17,099 --> 00:42:14,140
sent out like remember our little DNA

922
00:42:20,699 --> 00:42:17,109
strand and it had all B's we got one

923
00:42:25,049 --> 00:42:20,709
back in the forger yeah yeah I think

924
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:25,059
that's I believe so and we get one back

925
00:42:30,029 --> 00:42:27,910
well what does that mean are they

926
00:42:32,819 --> 00:42:30,039
communicating with us so it is a warning

927
00:42:35,459 --> 00:42:32,829
it's a warning about beware of deceivers

928
00:42:37,499 --> 00:42:35,469
and beware of deceivers with gifts

929
00:42:38,789 --> 00:42:37,509
they're coming with promises and gifts

930
00:42:42,479 --> 00:42:38,799
and we need to be very careful of that

931
00:42:45,209 --> 00:42:42,489
well again as this think-tank what does

932
00:42:48,439 --> 00:42:45,219
that mean well it means we have a

933
00:42:51,749 --> 00:42:48,449
warning so it means we have a friend or

934
00:42:54,659 --> 00:42:51,759
we have allies somebody cared enough

935
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:54,669
about humanity to send this warning or

936
00:43:00,659 --> 00:42:57,660
is that warning a deception in itself

937
00:43:02,549 --> 00:43:00,669
you know so this is this is where we're

938
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:02,559
going with this instead of looking at

939
00:43:05,729 --> 00:43:04,209
this like a big mystery we're going

940
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:05,739
after this like it's you know a new

941
00:43:15,299 --> 00:43:09,130
group of people or a new group that we

942
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:15,309
have to understand and almost gather the

943
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,880
same Intel just like they've done in

944
00:43:22,799 --> 00:43:20,319
secret you know what do they know about

945
00:43:25,169 --> 00:43:22,809
us are they studying we need to do the

946
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:25,179
same back we need to gather intelligence

947
00:43:35,939 --> 00:43:31,619
and figure this out what do we know so

948
00:43:38,429 --> 00:43:35,949
unfortunately this kind of has a bad

949
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:38,439
connotation to it of you know people are

950
00:43:42,989 --> 00:43:40,529
going to be like oh yeah

951
00:43:45,209 --> 00:43:42,999
counterintelligence operation that's

952
00:43:47,759 --> 00:43:45,219
what she called it you know but but it's

953
00:43:50,219 --> 00:43:47,769
effective this is an effective way to

954
00:43:52,339 --> 00:43:50,229
examine something and it's also

955
00:43:54,449 --> 00:43:52,349
admissible is there gonna be

956
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:54,459
transparency with this as well oh

957
00:43:59,880 --> 00:43:58,089
absolutely absolutely because this is

958
00:44:02,759 --> 00:43:59,890
something that you know even be talking

959
00:44:04,829 --> 00:44:02,769
about what we're doing now very publicly

960
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,839
because this this is something we should

961
00:44:08,699 --> 00:44:06,640
all be doing you know I'm not keep it

962
00:44:10,409 --> 00:44:08,709
secret like oh well we got something

963
00:44:12,689 --> 00:44:10,419
that may be coming out in a few months

964
00:44:16,649 --> 00:44:12,699
hypno let's talk about it let's you know

965
00:44:20,729 --> 00:44:16,659
keep things very open and that's that's

966
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,739
something that MUFON needs to get better

967
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:22,000
with their message

968
00:44:30,089 --> 00:44:26,250
part of our mission statement is

969
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:30,099
education and we have information

970
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:31,230
everywhere

971
00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:34,720
Facebook Twitter on our website there's

972
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:41,260
an open CMS log look at pull up UFO

973
00:44:47,970 --> 00:44:44,710
stalker go on to the main website go to

974
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:47,980
track UFOs and hit that UFO stalker tell

975
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:50,230
me we're hiding anything come on guys

976
00:44:53,819 --> 00:44:51,250
this is ridiculous

977
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:53,829
that stalker tells you the log

978
00:44:58,980 --> 00:44:56,410
description where it is you know what

979
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:58,990
kind of what happened um the only thing

980
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:00,839
you're not going to get is witness

981
00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:03,609
contact information and that's because

982
00:45:08,130 --> 00:45:06,339
most don't want everybody in the world

983
00:45:09,569 --> 00:45:08,140
they've given them a call and showing up

984
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,579
at their door yeah you have to know

985
00:45:17,339 --> 00:45:11,760
people feel safe if they're gonna talk

986
00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:17,349
absolutely so you know I think I think

987
00:45:20,819 --> 00:45:18,460
we just need to get better at our

988
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:20,829
messaging why do people not know that we

989
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,170
do all this why do people not know that

990
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:25,359
we have a symposium every year or we

991
00:45:30,019 --> 00:45:27,190
have a journal that comes out every

992
00:45:33,029 --> 00:45:30,029
single month or we have newsletters or

993
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:33,039
states that are actively involved the

994
00:45:37,319 --> 00:45:34,630
state directors that are putting on

995
00:45:39,690 --> 00:45:37,329
meetings in every state around the

996
00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:39,700
country and even other countries around

997
00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:43,000
the world why do people still want to

998
00:45:49,470 --> 00:45:45,220
say MUFON doesn't do anything or

999
00:45:50,940 --> 00:45:49,480
generate information and it's it's not

1000
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:50,950
the public's fault

1001
00:45:56,609 --> 00:45:54,160
we're not messaging correctly because we

1002
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:56,619
have all of this available and yet we

1003
00:46:01,650 --> 00:45:58,859
still hear that it's crazy

1004
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:01,660
well speaking of that you know the to

1005
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:05,650
the stars Academy our T TSA or whatever

1006
00:46:14,579 --> 00:46:11,890
you want to call it complain about that

1007
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:14,589
you hear a lot about them is that you

1008
00:46:19,380 --> 00:46:16,630
know there's oh there's something big

1009
00:46:20,970 --> 00:46:19,390
coming up or you know we can't like a

1010
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,980
lot of people are saying they're just

1011
00:46:26,789 --> 00:46:23,680
holding information and and why you know

1012
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:26,799
what sir you know what's going on there

1013
00:46:31,650 --> 00:46:28,089
what do you what do you feel about all

1014
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:31,660
that I think we're jaded with the

1015
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,980
disclosure and the claims of you know

1016
00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:36,900
it's breakin it's coming you know this

1017
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:39,030
year's a year Hillary Clinton's the

1018
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:41,400
candidate I mean we're so burned out so

1019
00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:45,240
I am I even hate the word disclosure I

1020
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,119
don't even want to hear it anymore it's

1021
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:49,680
it's annoying

1022
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:52,740
so for to the Stars Academy they're new

1023
00:47:00,740 --> 00:46:55,260
guys they're really new guys they don't

1024
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,750
have the background to even know that

1025
00:47:05,210 --> 00:47:03,060
some of the cases they're working on or

1026
00:47:09,490 --> 00:47:05,220
some of the evidence they picked up has

1027
00:47:13,090 --> 00:47:09,500
been done 40 times already by many many

1028
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:13,100
credible people and labs so you know

1029
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:18,290
they're new and but they have money and

1030
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:20,609
that's always going to be the difference

1031
00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:24,090
of them being successful or not and it

1032
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:26,100
takes money to travel it takes money to

1033
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:35,870
analyze all this data and materials they

1034
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:39,330
claim to have to correct and I'm

1035
00:47:43,310 --> 00:47:41,250
interested to see what they show us um

1036
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:43,320
you know we all know they have a show on

1037
00:47:45,980 --> 00:47:45,030
A&E coming out we all know that they've

1038
00:47:48,260 --> 00:47:45,990
been very busy

1039
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:48,270
collecting evidence I can't wait to see

1040
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:50,280
what they what they reveal and I hope

1041
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,420
it's something we haven't heard a

1042
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:53,520
hundred times before I you know I think

1043
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:56,130
people are you know we have benchmark

1044
00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:00,180
cases Brendel some Roswell Betty Barney

1045
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,030
Hill these are all huge cases but

1046
00:48:07,099 --> 00:48:05,280
there's other things going on can we

1047
00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:07,109
hear about those for a while if you know

1048
00:48:10,070 --> 00:48:07,710
what I mean

1049
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:10,080
if we keep rehashing the same old

1050
00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:12,180
information and there's a lot of new

1051
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:15,869
stuff coming out so that's one thing the

1052
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:20,040
other thing about to the stars is they

1053
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:24,330
really Lou I I was going to ask what do

1054
00:48:32,290 --> 00:48:26,220
we get yeah what do we think about Lou

1055
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,300
well I get mad at how quickly our field

1056
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:35,280
can turn and just be so ugly

1057
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:40,050
honestly we beg we have talked about for

1058
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:41,970
decades for you know people like us that

1059
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:43,830
have been doing this for more than two

1060
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:45,660
years we

1061
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:48,329
have been trying to get lawmakers

1062
00:48:53,420 --> 00:48:50,609
engaged and talking about this issue

1063
00:48:56,839 --> 00:48:53,430
we've been trying to get on military and

1064
00:48:59,720 --> 00:48:56,849
you know some of our secret keepers on

1065
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:59,730
some of our alphabet agency CIA FBI

1066
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:01,619
we've been trying to get these people to

1067
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,200
talk to us and when they do first thing

1068
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,079
we do is shredder yeah oh he's a secret

1069
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:08,940
agent he's doing this he's doing that

1070
00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:12,480
what my question is what disinformation

1071
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:15,750
is Lou giving us because they're not

1072
00:49:18,769 --> 00:49:17,880
talking to us they're not talking to

1073
00:49:21,019 --> 00:49:18,779
anybody right now

1074
00:49:22,579 --> 00:49:21,029
they know who their audience is and it's

1075
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:22,589
the public they don't give two craps

1076
00:49:26,539 --> 00:49:24,329
about what do you follow just think of

1077
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:26,549
them right now or they're they got their

1078
00:49:32,029 --> 00:49:28,650
head down and they're working and that

1079
00:49:34,759 --> 00:49:32,039
was a lesson MUFON took from to the

1080
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,769
Stars Academy we're not going to that's

1081
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:36,720
not our audience or not the people that

1082
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:38,220
have been doing this for 40 years our

1083
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:40,500
audience is the public who's looking for

1084
00:49:47,859 --> 00:49:43,890
real answered scientific fact scientific

1085
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:47,869
certainty admissible conclusion and

1086
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:51,089
probative data that's what the public's

1087
00:49:55,279 --> 00:49:53,400
looking for and that's when I go back to

1088
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:55,289
what I first said nobody cares what I

1089
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:58,500
believe we've got thousands of belief

1090
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,359
systems of people weighing in on their

1091
00:50:05,420 --> 00:50:03,359
opinions we hear them all the time you

1092
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,430
know it's all over you know radio TV and

1093
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:08,400
you know but I really am frustrated that

1094
00:50:16,339 --> 00:50:11,599
the minute the minute somebody comes out

1095
00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:16,349
from our government this was huge for a

1096
00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:19,230
tip to come out for the first time in a

1097
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:21,660
long time Martin I felt vindicated as a

1098
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:24,390
UFO investigator for all the eye rolling

1099
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:27,240
my friends have given me for all the you

1100
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:29,250
know tongue-in-cheek jokes we took that

1101
00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:33,410
you know all the tents that tinfoil hat

1102
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:37,079
antics we put up with and guess what

1103
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:38,819
guys fifth floor

1104
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:41,609
take a left third door on your right a

1105
00:50:49,009 --> 00:50:44,970
tip been actively investigating UFOs

1106
00:50:52,999 --> 00:50:49,019
what now people what now Thank You Lou

1107
00:50:55,579 --> 00:50:53,009
for bringing that out because to me just

1108
00:50:57,790 --> 00:50:55,589
that alone was worth everything that

1109
00:50:59,470 --> 00:50:57,800
vindication oh my gosh

1110
00:51:01,930 --> 00:50:59,480
right yeah I think it's changed

1111
00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:01,940
everything and I know you and I both met

1112
00:51:08,020 --> 00:51:05,540
Luke down at Cherry Hill and what a

1113
00:51:10,570 --> 00:51:08,030
great guy first of all and I know that

1114
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:10,580
he at first you know talking with

1115
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:12,890
Alejandro who talked to them you know I

1116
00:51:15,460 --> 00:51:14,090
mean I had spoke to him there but

1117
00:51:18,850 --> 00:51:15,470
Alejandro keeps in touch with him I

1118
00:51:21,340 --> 00:51:18,860
guess sir yes yeah and I know I did too

1119
00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:21,350
but yeah I ollie on bro I know it's it's

1120
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:23,630
a good contact Lou keeps Ali on door

1121
00:51:30,340 --> 00:51:26,330
pretty close yeah so but I know that you

1122
00:51:33,310 --> 00:51:30,350
know he was you know he was actually

1123
00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:33,320
rather hurt by some of the jobs that

1124
00:51:37,690 --> 00:51:35,780
were thrown at him and and you know

1125
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:37,700
Alejandro basically says don't look

1126
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:40,310
anymore you know just because he was

1127
00:51:43,810 --> 00:51:42,140
getting involved I can read it and you

1128
00:51:47,860 --> 00:51:43,820
know places like that where people were

1129
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:47,870
slamming him yeah well I think it's all

1130
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:50,480
been good and you know I I heard some

1131
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:53,570
naysayers actually at the conference you

1132
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:55,610
know after watching him saying oh you

1133
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:56,810
know he was boring he didn't say

1134
00:51:59,620 --> 00:51:57,890
anything I could have done a better job

1135
00:52:01,630 --> 00:51:59,630
and you know I mean I think there's a

1136
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:01,640
lot of jealousy in the field there are

1137
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:04,310
something absolutely agree and we've

1138
00:52:08,890 --> 00:52:07,010
seen it before we've watched the public

1139
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:08,900
build up who they want to hear from and

1140
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,280
then shred them it's it's it's an

1141
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,640
unbelievable field and you know we're

1142
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:18,640
fortunate Martin because you have

1143
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:22,010
amazing inner group of people that

1144
00:52:28,030 --> 00:52:24,350
you're close with a leandro and a lot of

1145
00:52:29,950 --> 00:52:28,040
those people that are we know that

1146
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:29,960
they're honest and we know that they're

1147
00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:30,890
good people

1148
00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:33,740
and they treat people well and we like

1149
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:36,560
that you know instead of joining the

1150
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:40,850
bandwagon of criticism and even going

1151
00:52:47,350 --> 00:52:44,270
after those that come out we I don't

1152
00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:47,360
understand more and we're desperate for

1153
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:49,460
whistleblowers we want to talk to

1154
00:52:54,610 --> 00:52:51,140
government officials and the minute we

1155
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:54,620
do even like when Bob Lazar I don't care

1156
00:52:58,180 --> 00:52:56,570
whether you believe them or not the fact

1157
00:53:00,610 --> 00:52:58,190
that we ask for these types of

1158
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:00,620
whistleblowers and then we spend so much

1159
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:03,170
time just shredding them we're not

1160
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:05,330
listening I think we're not listening

1161
00:53:10,330 --> 00:53:07,910
and to tell you the truth the internet

1162
00:53:10,850 --> 00:53:10,340
and social media some is the worst thing

1163
00:53:13,850 --> 00:53:10,860
that happened

1164
00:53:15,860 --> 00:53:13,860
apology we forgot where we're getting

1165
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:15,870
our information off of social media

1166
00:53:21,590 --> 00:53:20,130
instead of going to the source I was so

1167
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:21,600
thankful there was just thing with

1168
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:24,300
secure teen 10 and move on recently and

1169
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:29,250
it was so great because you know these

1170
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:31,980
guys from secured team called us and

1171
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:34,470
talk to us and emailed us and you know

1172
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:37,980
there's been this ongoing and we have to

1173
00:53:43,150 --> 00:53:39,930
go to the source and we have to talk to

1174
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:43,160
these people I I'm just amazed if

1175
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:48,000
Bigelow offered me money right now to

1176
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,510
investigate and whatever I found I could

1177
00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:53,280
give to the public but I also have to

1178
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:56,390
give it to have done New York second

1179
00:54:01,040 --> 00:53:58,410
unfortunately it takes money to do what

1180
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,050
we have to do and to get where we need

1181
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:03,420
to go and I would take it in a New York

1182
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:06,570
second and people would shred me for it

1183
00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:08,730
and this is where we are Martin

1184
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:11,820
we don't care I don't care what the

1185
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,610
rhetoric is behind my back because

1186
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:16,800
there's a lot of it on all of us it's

1187
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:20,400
amazing I've got my head down I'm

1188
00:54:25,610 --> 00:54:24,390
working in my group and whether we're

1189
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:25,620
successful or not

1190
00:54:30,380 --> 00:54:28,200
we've given an honest and diligent try

1191
00:54:32,420 --> 00:54:30,390
and we're not wasting time with the

1192
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:32,430
gossip and the bullcrap we're solving

1193
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:35,220
issues we have were you know meeting at

1194
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:37,170
think tanks we're talking for hours

1195
00:54:42,350 --> 00:54:38,940
about what do we know we're talking

1196
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:42,360
hours about our crop circles admissible

1197
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:45,090
is this admissible communication you

1198
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:46,850
know we're trying to take it to a level

1199
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:51,960
where a dossier is being written because

1200
00:54:59,810 --> 00:54:55,770
I live here I'm going to talk to

1201
00:55:02,240 --> 00:54:59,820
Congress I am going to talk to the

1202
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:02,250
Intelligence Committee we are going to

1203
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:05,730
get our time with them it's just a

1204
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,520
matter of time we're going to do this

1205
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:11,040
and we need to be ready we have to have

1206
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:12,810
a professional dossier we have to have

1207
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:17,760
professional commentary and a summary to

1208
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:20,940
hand them for them to understand would

1209
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:23,940
you would you take a like a question

1210
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:27,450
to the think tank and because I had I

1211
00:55:29,780 --> 00:55:28,740
had someone call in the other day and

1212
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:29,790
it's actually something I've thought

1213
00:55:36,590 --> 00:55:33,150
about a number of times and and I think

1214
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:36,600
it it is kind of meaningful in a way and

1215
00:55:41,780 --> 00:55:38,610
that is why would these things have

1216
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:41,790
lights it's a great question

1217
00:55:45,830 --> 00:55:44,280
I am going to break that down and I have

1218
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:45,840
heard this one before because it's odd

1219
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:49,050
why do they have lights on they seem to

1220
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:53,970
have very earth-like technology hmm for

1221
00:56:00,680 --> 00:55:56,520
an advanced species or advanced race

1222
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:00,690
that's transversing time and space right

1223
00:56:05,180 --> 00:56:03,480
yeah and if I have lights do they show

1224
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,190
the lights because they want us to see

1225
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:07,200
them or you know what is going on with

1226
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:10,380
the lights because they obviously don't

1227
00:56:16,610 --> 00:56:14,730
need them you know yes absolutely and

1228
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,620
another question that we we kind of

1229
00:56:22,550 --> 00:56:19,440
consider is you know even in the crop

1230
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:22,560
circles why is it more recently that

1231
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:25,890
we're finding the binary code and of

1232
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:28,230
course one of the answers from one of

1233
00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:32,700
our amazing minds really was well maybe

1234
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:34,200
they had to dumb it down because we

1235
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:36,810
weren't catching the first 25 or the

1236
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:38,520
first hundred you know we didn't

1237
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,290
understand the sacred geometry or

1238
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:42,000
they're like oh they'll definitely get

1239
00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:47,040
this one no we missed it again so yeah

1240
00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:49,580
we're still debating on whether these

1241
00:57:01,880 --> 00:56:59,150
symbols and shapes are done by a board

1242
00:57:05,060 --> 00:57:01,890
and a couple guys in the woods even with

1243
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:05,070
the forensic testing and analysis of

1244
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:07,410
blow nodes and you know the difference

1245
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:11,250
and in the crop itself we're still

1246
00:57:18,140 --> 00:57:15,240
fighting that crazy you know accusation

1247
00:57:20,090 --> 00:57:18,150
yeah BLT research are you familiar

1248
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:20,100
you're familiar with them yeah Nancy

1249
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:22,610
yeah I had her in the show years ago

1250
00:57:28,850 --> 00:57:25,710
interesting woman and it is in thank

1251
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:28,860
goodness for Nancy thank goodness

1252
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:32,760
because she had brought the evidence she

1253
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:35,220
has brought the science to the crop

1254
00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:36,250
circles for

1255
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:38,680
to even be legit even if we found the

1256
00:57:45,690 --> 00:57:41,700
binary code without her testable science

1257
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:45,700
and discovery of what separates these

1258
00:57:54,510 --> 00:57:51,010
real from fake yeah we have probative

1259
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,520
information that we can now research and

1260
00:57:59,490 --> 00:57:57,760
understand crop circle messages and you

1261
00:58:01,890 --> 00:57:59,500
know BLT research I think it's I think

1262
00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:01,900
that's what it's called like bacon

1263
00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:05,320
lettuce tomato there they were funded

1264
00:58:11,130 --> 00:58:07,750
initially by the Rockefeller by

1265
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:11,140
Rockefeller and I guess Bigelow went

1266
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,690
away as kind of the Rockefeller of today

1267
00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:16,000
as far as you you followed you goes he

1268
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:19,240
used to be yeah and of course he was

1269
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:22,480
burned so bad and you know shredded you

1270
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:25,570
know by the haters as well he's turned

1271
00:58:29,339 --> 00:58:27,010
away he wants nothing to do with it I

1272
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:29,349
you know it has to do people were

1273
00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:31,690
thinking there was the under well this

1274
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:33,790
is what I've heard people were thinking

1275
00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:37,240
there was an underhand because of the

1276
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:38,830
fact that he wanted you know the

1277
00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:42,250
information and you know he wanted he

1278
00:58:46,349 --> 00:58:44,560
actually got people involved in doing

1279
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:46,359
research when MUFON couldn't do it when

1280
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:47,770
he just wanted you know answers

1281
00:58:52,859 --> 00:58:50,290
basically but he wasn't hiding anything

1282
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:52,869
he wasn't saying you know we want the

1283
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:54,609
information and no one else can have it

1284
00:58:59,700 --> 00:58:56,890
you know type of thing and he also

1285
00:59:01,650 --> 00:58:59,710
locked it down you know because his

1286
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:01,660
people are being discredited you know if

1287
00:59:05,070 --> 00:59:03,130
he can't kill the story go after the

1288
00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:05,080
investigator and we've all experienced

1289
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:06,220
some of that even within our own

1290
00:59:14,339 --> 00:59:09,730
community you know when I see somebody

1291
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:14,349
just hell-bent on taking down MUFON or a

1292
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:17,290
single person you have to wonder what

1293
00:59:21,810 --> 00:59:19,330
that person's motive is especially when

1294
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:21,820
that person or this organizations been

1295
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:23,410
around for a while that most people know

1296
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:25,570
their background and know their you know

1297
00:59:30,990 --> 00:59:29,170
their fiber so you have to wonder and I

1298
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:31,000
think we just need to bring more

1299
00:59:35,130 --> 00:59:32,950
sophistication into our thinking and

1300
00:59:36,990 --> 00:59:35,140
more of this critical thinking we're

1301
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:37,000
either going to solve this but we're

1302
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:39,609
gonna have fun doing it pick one you can

1303
00:59:43,530 --> 00:59:41,770
do both but pick one if this is just

1304
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:43,540
kind of fun and we love talking about it

1305
00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:47,290
we that's okay but admit it do not put

1306
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:49,420
your beliefs and everything

1307
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:52,390
well I think this we got tons of that

1308
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:54,730
we've got you to go to Facebook and get

1309
00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:57,010
that that's not what people expect from

1310
01:00:01,740 --> 00:59:58,810
me that's not what people expect from

1311
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:01,750
MUFON or you you know they're expecting

1312
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:05,890
a little more diligence in who's telling

1313
01:00:13,230 --> 01:00:10,450
the truth who's worthy right you know it

1314
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:13,240
it it comes I was having this

1315
01:00:18,030 --> 01:00:15,310
conversation with them I was talking to

1316
01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:18,040
Scott Ramsey the other day on the phone

1317
01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:21,640
great guy great really nice guy and we

1318
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:25,240
were basically coming up with sometimes

1319
01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:29,770
you know we he stays away from a lot of

1320
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:32,950
the conferences and I said you know why

1321
01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:35,440
basically he says well because you know

1322
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:37,270
sometimes it can get you know wacky he

1323
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:38,410
went to one where there was a lot of

1324
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:42,010
wacky things going on I have noticed

1325
01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:45,310
myself sometimes and this this may get

1326
01:00:50,460 --> 01:00:46,870
some people upset I don't know but

1327
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:50,470
sometimes the further out on the fringe

1328
01:00:56,010 --> 01:00:53,290
it is the more people are engaged and

1329
01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:56,020
happy and getting you know creating a

1330
01:01:00,780 --> 01:00:58,570
standing ovation I've seen happen a few

1331
01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:00,790
times there's really no control over

1332
01:01:07,350 --> 01:01:03,640
that it's just that I think in that

1333
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:07,360
sense it's almost like a religion or

1334
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:09,550
something it's almost like people are

1335
01:01:14,670 --> 01:01:12,490
looking for something you know I I'm

1336
01:01:17,310 --> 01:01:14,680
very interested in this topic because I

1337
01:01:20,370 --> 01:01:17,320
really think there is something to it I

1338
01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:20,380
don't believe that I feel that's like a

1339
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:22,630
religion you know I can't see that I

1340
01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:24,490
don't feel that way about it I just

1341
01:01:28,110 --> 01:01:26,740
think it's very fascinating and I think

1342
01:01:30,540 --> 01:01:28,120
there's something to it and I think

1343
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:30,550
there could be answers hopefully in my

1344
01:01:39,780 --> 01:01:35,050
lifetime but you also feel like it's the

1345
01:01:42,740 --> 01:01:39,790
same people all the time every time this

1346
01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:42,750
is something else I'm doing a lot less

1347
01:01:51,810 --> 01:01:46,150
conference even speaking

1348
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:51,820
I love Congress so but I work conference

1349
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:54,250
when I go I'm working I know okay I

1350
01:01:56,850 --> 01:01:55,450
didn't see when the last time I was

1351
01:01:59,640 --> 01:01:56,860
there I did I didn't see you anywhere

1352
01:02:02,960 --> 01:01:59,650
but the upfront help and Karen that vote

1353
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:02,970
yeah and it's a

1354
01:02:07,820 --> 01:02:05,010
and I'll tell you why because a leandro

1355
01:02:10,220 --> 01:02:07,830
and Karen have done a lot for a lot of

1356
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:10,230
people out there me included

1357
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:13,050
they're amazing friends of mine and

1358
01:02:18,860 --> 01:02:16,950
their loyal friends of mine and yeah I

1359
01:02:21,470 --> 01:02:18,870
will stand it back of that counter and

1360
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:21,480
sell their t-shirts and work and I'll

1361
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:23,850
clean toilets whatever they need because

1362
01:02:30,050 --> 01:02:25,920
this is how we help them be successful

1363
01:02:33,260 --> 01:02:30,060
in also providing you know um you know

1364
01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:33,270
decent speakers and commentary this is

1365
01:02:38,860 --> 01:02:37,380
my way of helping them as well so you

1366
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:38,870
know but doing a lot less comfort

1367
01:02:45,590 --> 01:02:41,910
conferences because I need to work I

1368
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:45,600
need to get we need to get some of this

1369
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:50,610
stuff put together we're 70 years old as

1370
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:53,970
it feel as ufologist and move on to 50

1371
01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:57,090
years where's our stuff art stuffs all

1372
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,650
over the place I used to ask all time

1373
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:00,960
where's your stuff move on well what I

1374
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:02,940
realize we have stuff everywhere our

1375
01:03:07,940 --> 01:03:05,430
messaging is horrible why do people not

1376
01:03:10,340 --> 01:03:07,950
know it why do our own members ask well

1377
01:03:12,590 --> 01:03:10,350
where to start team investigations

1378
01:03:16,340 --> 01:03:12,600
um they were on seven of the journal

1379
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:16,350
covers and searchable like how do we not

1380
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:16,920
know this

1381
01:03:23,570 --> 01:03:19,290
how are people missing this so you know

1382
01:03:24,830 --> 01:03:23,580
I think it's messaging but 50 years we

1383
01:03:28,370 --> 01:03:24,840
have to be able to put together

1384
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:28,380
something we have 50 years I witness

1385
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:31,530
testimonies all over the world MUFON is

1386
01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:33,690
the archivist and the world historians

1387
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:37,980
of investigated cases from eyewitnesses

1388
01:03:44,060 --> 01:03:41,760
that's remarkable amazing I I try to

1389
01:03:47,420 --> 01:03:44,070
take a call um a caller you on the line

1390
01:03:49,340 --> 01:03:47,430
I guess it didn't go through so we're we

1391
01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:49,350
may be having a call come in and I

1392
01:03:53,150 --> 01:03:50,940
encourage the caller to try again so

1393
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:53,160
that numbers up on the screen in YouTube

1394
01:03:57,290 --> 01:03:55,650
if anyone wants to call in that numbers

1395
01:04:01,160 --> 01:03:57,300
there give it another try if somehow it

1396
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:01,170
disconnected you so yeah during the

1397
01:04:03,980 --> 01:04:02,970
second hour we take calls if people

1398
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:03,990
would like to call them they're gonna

1399
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:05,850
they're trying again here let me give it

1400
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:09,330
a shot unless there's something wrong

1401
01:04:17,259 --> 01:04:13,920
with Skype hello there this is Martin

1402
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:17,269
and you are joined in on the call

1403
01:04:19,989 --> 01:04:18,650
your first name and where you're calling

1404
01:04:24,370 --> 01:04:19,999
from

1405
01:04:25,809 --> 01:04:24,380
Connecticut hi Andy welcome to the show

1406
01:04:29,769 --> 01:04:25,819
you have a you have a question for our

1407
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:29,779
guest so yeah sort of a question /

1408
01:04:39,819 --> 01:04:35,599
observation I just wanted to say put in

1409
01:04:43,269 --> 01:04:39,829
my two cents for the UFO issue for the

1410
01:04:45,069 --> 01:04:43,279
the big picture is just that you know

1411
01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:45,079
any exposure is good whether you like

1412
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:47,059
the TTS a and what they're doing or not

1413
01:04:56,170 --> 01:04:53,690
and just that I feel like what you know

1414
01:05:00,910 --> 01:04:56,180
for instance with the USS Nimitz the Tic

1415
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:00,920
Tac incident the the the government or

1416
01:05:06,970 --> 01:05:03,920
the DoD was going to eventually have to

1417
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,980
admit that there's another reality and

1418
01:05:13,870 --> 01:05:09,440
then that would enable as it did the T

1419
01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:13,880
TSA to to go public and to you know form

1420
01:05:20,349 --> 01:05:16,670
form as an organization and to start

1421
01:05:22,989 --> 01:05:20,359
discussing the subject and I think it

1422
01:05:25,930 --> 01:05:22,999
just points to the fact that as things

1423
01:05:27,339 --> 01:05:25,940
develop and move along through time the

1424
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:27,349
government's not in control of the

1425
01:05:33,660 --> 01:05:31,039
subject or you know the the phenomenon

1426
01:05:35,739 --> 01:05:33,670
and that people continue to see things

1427
01:05:40,329 --> 01:05:35,749
different sizes and shapes and colors

1428
01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:40,339
all over the world and that they were

1429
01:05:44,049 --> 01:05:42,950
eventually or it was inevitable that the

1430
01:05:47,009 --> 01:05:44,059
government was going to have to

1431
01:05:52,210 --> 01:05:47,019
relinquish their you know tight-lipped

1432
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:52,220
top-secret treatment of the subject can

1433
01:05:56,259 --> 01:05:53,930
you hold just one second

1434
01:05:57,789 --> 01:05:56,269
sure I just want to just want to say I

1435
01:05:59,549 --> 01:05:57,799
have another caller on the line caller

1436
01:06:01,989 --> 01:05:59,559
you're going to have to hold on okay

1437
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:01,999
well that's fine thank you all right all

1438
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:03,369
right go ahead keep going

1439
01:06:09,549 --> 01:06:06,890
so yeah just just that you know the big

1440
01:06:13,150 --> 01:06:09,559
picture it's it's all headed in the

1441
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:13,160
direction of ultimately the governments

1442
01:06:18,579 --> 01:06:15,529
of the world will have to admit we're

1443
01:06:20,890 --> 01:06:18,589
not alone something's happening because

1444
01:06:23,710 --> 01:06:20,900
they're not in control of the subject

1445
01:06:28,809 --> 01:06:23,720
it's and that's pretty much I'll

1446
01:06:30,589 --> 01:06:28,819
conclude my comment with that you are

1447
01:06:32,269 --> 01:06:30,599
absolutely right odds

1448
01:06:34,819 --> 01:06:32,279
solutely right one of the other things

1449
01:06:37,009 --> 01:06:34,829
we're learning when we really look at

1450
01:06:38,749 --> 01:06:37,019
the government and listen to what Louis

1451
01:06:41,210 --> 01:06:38,759
telling us the government doesn't know

1452
01:06:43,219 --> 01:06:41,220
anything either they're they're stumped

1453
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:43,229
they didn't have an answer they don't

1454
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:46,410
know what this is either so you're

1455
01:06:50,539 --> 01:06:47,970
absolutely right Andy and this is

1456
01:06:55,180 --> 01:06:50,549
another reason it was Andy correct yeah

1457
01:06:57,799 --> 01:06:55,190
okay and this is one of the reasons that

1458
01:06:59,839 --> 01:06:57,809
your comment and your call is so

1459
01:07:02,569 --> 01:06:59,849
appreciated because they're not in

1460
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:02,579
control and that's not a good thing when

1461
01:07:06,859 --> 01:07:04,130
you're in charge of national security

1462
01:07:09,469 --> 01:07:06,869
when the public trusts you to be in

1463
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:09,479
charge and can protect you our nation

1464
01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:11,640
and you know the people that are here

1465
01:07:17,089 --> 01:07:14,220
and to find out that they have no idea

1466
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:17,099
either they're not in control and that's

1467
01:07:22,969 --> 01:07:19,049
something that we consider in our think

1468
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:22,979
tank what if this secret is in order to

1469
01:07:32,749 --> 01:07:27,359
tell what if the ramifications are so

1470
01:07:34,759 --> 01:07:32,759
dire on humanity if their agenda is put

1471
01:07:38,839 --> 01:07:34,769
out there in other words they're in

1472
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:38,849
control of disclosure period so really

1473
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:40,710
appreciate you call it that that's great

1474
01:07:48,109 --> 01:07:45,119
a great conversation yeah thanks for the

1475
01:07:51,049 --> 01:07:48,119
candy okay I'll let you guys go Happy

1476
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:51,059
New Year Happy New Year yeah all righty

1477
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:51,569
bye-bye

1478
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:53,609
all right caller your first name and

1479
01:07:58,910 --> 01:07:56,460
where you calling from my name is Denny

1480
01:08:01,999 --> 01:07:58,920
I'm calling from Indiana I'm sorry what

1481
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:02,009
was your first name my name is Denny I'm

1482
01:08:07,940 --> 01:08:04,680
calling hi welcome to the show you have

1483
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:07,950
a question for chase oh yes I just want

1484
01:08:12,469 --> 01:08:10,079
to say your show so underrated you have

1485
01:08:14,809 --> 01:08:12,479
a great approach to the subject I'm new

1486
01:08:17,059 --> 01:08:14,819
to it and it's hard to sort out some of

1487
01:08:19,099 --> 01:08:17,069
the credible information that's out

1488
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:19,109
there I just want to say that to you hey

1489
01:08:23,649 --> 01:08:21,960
thanks very much I'll reseed that if you

1490
01:08:27,229 --> 01:08:23,659
walk in mind just like a two-part tour

1491
01:08:29,629 --> 01:08:27,239
the first question is on how do we know

1492
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:29,639
that on some other country maybe even

1493
01:08:38,059 --> 01:08:34,409
100 200 years ago didn't get a jump on

1494
01:08:39,859 --> 01:08:38,069
us somehow someway and these are theirs

1495
01:08:42,530 --> 01:08:39,869
and they're going out they're going

1496
01:08:44,629 --> 01:08:42,540
about every day with 50 aircraft and

1497
01:08:47,539 --> 01:08:44,639
just as normal as anybody else

1498
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:47,549
and these Arthur's and the second thing

1499
01:08:53,780 --> 01:08:51,000
is I've been trying to lube wrought this

1500
01:08:55,870 --> 01:08:53,790
up the burning fuse theory what's your

1501
01:08:59,419 --> 01:08:55,880
opinion about that like a glitch like

1502
01:09:03,079 --> 01:08:59,429
how a fuse burns uneven for instance say

1503
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:03,089
that in 1749 or some little kid in the

1504
01:09:07,820 --> 01:09:05,369
field she sees something go across the

1505
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:07,830
sky and he doesn't know what it is

1506
01:09:12,740 --> 01:09:10,440
it could be the pilot from 1993 the

1507
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:12,750
stealth bomber the pilots on the little

1508
01:09:17,870 --> 01:09:15,449
kid it's just right we're past present

1509
01:09:19,010 --> 01:09:17,880
and the future that point right there

1510
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,020
where these are just like little

1511
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:22,080
glitches and those are the two things

1512
01:09:28,609 --> 01:09:24,690
that I want to know your opinion on

1513
01:09:32,329 --> 01:09:28,619
interesting I love the fuse theory and

1514
01:09:35,530 --> 01:09:32,339
of course that is how quick that little

1515
01:09:38,419 --> 01:09:35,540
light is on a fuse so when you light it

1516
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:38,429
you see where it's gone in the past but

1517
01:09:45,979 --> 01:09:41,880
that little tiny spark compared to this

1518
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:45,989
big past and future is really a reality

1519
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:50,159
that is so quick so the way blue

1520
01:09:57,470 --> 01:09:54,449
explains it is fascinating yeah I

1521
01:09:58,939 --> 01:09:57,480
definitely believe that time travel it's

1522
01:10:01,520 --> 01:09:58,949
something that we've been looking into

1523
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:01,530
you know we have evidence you know from

1524
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:04,110
the Nazis you know world war ii and most

1525
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:07,050
likely even back in the ancient days

1526
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:10,320
when even mummification came from trying

1527
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:13,860
to transverse you know into the future

1528
01:10:20,629 --> 01:10:19,020
as well so it's interesting it just

1529
01:10:23,859 --> 01:10:20,639
makes sense if this is going to be

1530
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:23,869
dimensional if this is going to be

1531
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:27,330
something that's that physics that we

1532
01:10:31,660 --> 01:10:30,150
don't understand and I and I really

1533
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:31,670
think we have to pay attention to that

1534
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:35,369
then us from the future or glimpses from

1535
01:10:41,660 --> 01:10:39,600
the future it's absolutely possible so

1536
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:41,670
that was a great question and I am so

1537
01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:43,800
sorry Danny I can't remember the first

1538
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:46,380
place the first one was uh basically and

1539
01:10:52,300 --> 01:10:48,330
I can kind of address that one or I

1540
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:52,310
think I can anyway is the possibility of

1541
01:10:56,959 --> 01:10:54,570
another country having this technology

1542
01:10:58,410 --> 01:10:56,969
and using it for many years isn't that

1543
01:11:01,230 --> 01:10:58,420
it isn't that the question Danny

1544
01:11:03,450 --> 01:11:01,240
yes I'm like let's just say that maybe

1545
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:03,460
they weren't able to make something that

1546
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,770
looks like a tick cap 200 years ago but

1547
01:11:09,980 --> 01:11:08,320
they got a jump on everybody else and

1548
01:11:12,660 --> 01:11:09,990
you're just going about their normal

1549
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:12,670
their normal activities with fixed-wing

1550
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:14,560
aircraft and that there's no more

1551
01:11:18,750 --> 01:11:16,570
advanced than us and these are there's

1552
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:18,760
you know China or Russia and they're

1553
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:21,370
playing the UFO thing and these are

1554
01:11:24,750 --> 01:11:23,050
theirs and they're just going out about

1555
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:24,760
you know like they don't have this like

1556
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:26,830
technology or do we know this stuff's

1557
01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:28,570
coming from space I mean how do we know

1558
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:31,630
it's not China or Russia for sure well

1559
01:11:34,170 --> 01:11:33,130
I'll just say and you can throw in your

1560
01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:34,180
two cents

1561
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:37,780
chase if you want to after I basically

1562
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:40,450
just think that if they had that type of

1563
01:11:46,170 --> 01:11:42,810
technology would be used against us

1564
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:46,180
during some type of conflict because

1565
01:11:51,090 --> 01:11:48,310
because we'd have absolutely no defense

1566
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:51,100
if someone had you know the technology

1567
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:52,450
that people are seeing they could

1568
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:55,320
basically take over the world in a way

1569
01:12:00,540 --> 01:11:58,090
you know in my opinion maybe I'm going a

1570
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:00,550
little too far with it but I also think

1571
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:03,610
that I don't believe of another country

1572
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:07,030
had that type of technology that we

1573
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:09,610
wouldn't be aggressively trying to or

1574
01:12:13,980 --> 01:12:11,410
our government wouldn't be aggressively

1575
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:13,990
trying to crack that and figure it out

1576
01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:17,650
through spies or whatever I just think

1577
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,420
would be kind of impossible to hold that

1578
01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:21,280
part secret what do you think about that

1579
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:26,350
chase I agree especially because he

1580
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:28,810
world leaders or humans have a tendency

1581
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:30,610
to want to pee on their bushes right

1582
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:33,370
they want everyone to know I own this

1583
01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:38,230
this is mine look at us and we're big

1584
01:12:45,710 --> 01:12:39,820
dogs in the in the playground

1585
01:12:50,130 --> 01:12:45,720
and so that that's one of the factors

1586
01:12:51,540 --> 01:12:50,140
and I do it agree with your listener you

1587
01:12:54,570 --> 01:12:51,550
are one of the better shows out there

1588
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:54,580
Martin you're my favorite host I told

1589
01:13:01,020 --> 01:12:57,480
you that from day one you were the first

1590
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:01,030
professional interview and great

1591
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,090
questions that I was ever given it's I

1592
01:13:08,250 --> 01:13:06,400
just loved it I felt so good leaving

1593
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:08,260
your show because you didn't you know

1594
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:09,850
treat me like the cheerleader you know

1595
01:13:14,380 --> 01:13:10,910
with all the silly

1596
01:13:16,420 --> 01:13:14,390
you hit hard and I love that and uh to

1597
01:13:18,730 --> 01:13:16,430
this day you are my favorite radio show

1598
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:18,740
so I agree with your listener on that as

1599
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:20,810
well thank you I've been saying that for

1600
01:13:26,460 --> 01:13:23,510
years right yes thank you that's very

1601
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:26,470
nice you and what a nice New Year's gift

1602
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:29,090
thank you for taking my calls all right

1603
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:32,480
Danny all right we have a caller trying

1604
01:13:36,430 --> 01:13:34,250
to get in I'm not sure what's happening

1605
01:13:39,070 --> 01:13:36,440
why it's not working I can just tell you

1606
01:13:41,740 --> 01:13:39,080
you try again and if you're trying to

1607
01:13:44,770 --> 01:13:41,750
call Skype perhaps maybe that's doing it

1608
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:44,780
just try to call try to call through a

1609
01:13:51,010 --> 01:13:46,970
regular phone that number that's up on

1610
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,020
the screen so we're we're in the second

1611
01:13:56,260 --> 01:13:53,360
hour of 15 minutes or so in and we

1612
01:13:58,240 --> 01:13:56,270
wanted to discuss when you're talking

1613
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,250
about the future of 2019 were you

1614
01:14:04,210 --> 01:14:00,560
talking mostly about the think tank or

1615
01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:04,220
were there other other things directions

1616
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:07,430
you think we should go to and I think

1617
01:14:13,420 --> 01:14:10,970
there's so much possibility that was

1618
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:13,430
opened up with a tip coming out it's to

1619
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,050
the Stars Academy's awesome

1620
01:14:20,860 --> 01:14:18,320
they got Bank so they could do a lot but

1621
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:20,870
it was really low and a tip that blew

1622
01:14:27,490 --> 01:14:24,590
the lid right off so I believe now

1623
01:14:29,890 --> 01:14:27,500
that's given us a chance to go in and

1624
01:14:31,390 --> 01:14:29,900
talk to our lawmakers we need help with

1625
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:31,400
some of these documents being

1626
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:33,410
declassified but we need to brief them

1627
01:14:40,420 --> 01:14:38,480
because I this this phenomena isn't

1628
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:40,430
going to stay hidden for long that there

1629
01:14:47,470 --> 01:14:45,440
is going to be whether it's sizzle or

1630
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:47,480
steak things are going to happen this

1631
01:14:51,460 --> 01:14:49,970
year they just have to they we all feel

1632
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:51,470
it mounting we see it mounting

1633
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:53,690
everybody's kind of giving us little

1634
01:14:58,300 --> 01:14:56,210
tidbits and little bites and a couple

1635
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:58,310
sips of milk here and there you know and

1636
01:15:03,460 --> 01:15:01,280
we're waiting for that Lou Elizondo

1637
01:15:07,390 --> 01:15:03,470
actually came out and said that in

1638
01:15:09,190 --> 01:15:07,400
spring of 2019 we're going to be having

1639
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:09,200
a completely different discussion in

1640
01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:11,450
ufology you heard that how do ya

1641
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:14,420
symposium and you know what that means

1642
01:15:20,620 --> 01:15:18,410
is you know don't know is this steak or

1643
01:15:22,810 --> 01:15:20,630
is it sizzle I don't know but we have to

1644
01:15:24,410 --> 01:15:22,820
be ready for both because even a sizzle

1645
01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:24,420
is enough for us some ties

1646
01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:27,270
a gulper another three years or much

1647
01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:30,270
like a tip did it changes our direction

1648
01:15:40,570 --> 01:15:35,150
and again we have to be careful about

1649
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:40,580
discrediting without proof this man is a

1650
01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:46,290
veteran who gave so much for the safety

1651
01:15:51,070 --> 01:15:47,640
and security and freedoms of this

1652
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:51,080
country to discredit somebody of that

1653
01:15:56,419 --> 01:15:54,210
caliber and that honesty because you

1654
01:15:58,850 --> 01:15:56,429
don't like intelligence groups well

1655
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:58,860
unfortunately those intelligence

1656
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:01,920
agencies really do a lot of service of

1657
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:04,410
keeping us safe and not living like

1658
01:16:09,470 --> 01:16:07,530
Paris right now so I think there's some

1659
01:16:12,650 --> 01:16:09,480
we have to be careful about discrediting

1660
01:16:15,620 --> 01:16:12,660
good people and yolu is a veteran and

1661
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:15,630
he's an honorable veteran his dd-214 and

1662
01:16:20,419 --> 01:16:18,239
his awards are he can't even talk about

1663
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:20,429
some of them but trust me when I tell

1664
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:25,080
you this is a 400 military member that

1665
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:28,730
honorably served and went into this a

1666
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:32,130
tip program as a contractor see this is

1667
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:34,290
not an active duty program this is this

1668
01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:37,890
is civilian a tip is civilian and when

1669
01:16:42,919 --> 01:16:39,960
he wasn't getting the cooperation or the

1670
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:42,929
attention when when he's showing the the

1671
01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:45,000
evidence that they have to the people

1672
01:16:50,990 --> 01:16:47,960
above there's still kind of seeing UFOs

1673
01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:51,000
you know he knew he had to break out of

1674
01:16:57,979 --> 01:16:55,320
that little tiny group and and and just

1675
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,989
start impacting the public because the

1676
01:17:03,350 --> 01:16:59,520
public is going to change the mind on

1677
01:17:05,450 --> 01:17:03,360
lawmakers I live in DC you were just

1678
01:17:07,490 --> 01:17:05,460
here this summer Martin I can tell you

1679
01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:07,500
one thing this place is a swamp a

1680
01:17:11,540 --> 01:17:09,540
hundred and fifty percent I've never

1681
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:11,550
seen so many self-serving people in my

1682
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:13,650
whole life their careers their money

1683
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:18,510
their paycheck and it's it's disgusting

1684
01:17:24,919 --> 01:17:22,560
and to have somebody like Lou quit his

1685
01:17:26,900 --> 01:17:24,929
job to come out because he knew this

1686
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:26,910
swamp was never going to give this the

1687
01:17:33,650 --> 01:17:31,770
this topic the credit it deserved why

1688
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:33,660
are we not applauding him for that alone

1689
01:17:42,220 --> 01:17:37,650
the man quit his job to make a point

1690
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:42,230
wrote a letter to two mattes mad dog in

1691
01:17:49,870 --> 01:17:46,490
explained this topic is not getting the

1692
01:17:53,690 --> 01:17:49,880
support it deserves and the attention

1693
01:17:55,610 --> 01:17:53,700
for national security and then we want

1694
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:55,620
to pick on them out here and call him a

1695
01:17:59,900 --> 01:17:57,930
disinformation agent again I asked

1696
01:18:02,600 --> 01:17:59,910
where's your proof tell me what

1697
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:02,610
disinformation he is put out here tell

1698
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:05,010
me what he's lied to us because they're

1699
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:07,020
not talking to us and that's the first

1700
01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:09,690
thing people have to realize they don't

1701
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:11,310
care what you follow just our thinking

1702
01:18:16,340 --> 01:18:13,770
right now they don't need us they have

1703
01:18:18,830 --> 01:18:16,350
made that mess is perfectly clear and I

1704
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:18,840
heard grant Cameron say a few months ago

1705
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:21,690
you know they fired you follow just do

1706
01:18:26,980 --> 01:18:24,750
you blame them when 90% of everything

1707
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,990
you hear out of our mouth is rhetoric

1708
01:18:31,730 --> 01:18:28,320
hearsay

1709
01:18:33,820 --> 01:18:31,740
if you don't just it's ridiculous I

1710
01:18:36,740 --> 01:18:33,830
think it's time that we embrace our

1711
01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:36,750
professionals that have been involved

1712
01:18:44,180 --> 01:18:40,440
one way or another or have access to and

1713
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:44,190
that that's the government are we going

1714
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:45,930
to get played probably a couple of times

1715
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:47,850
but is everybody going to do that I

1716
01:18:50,930 --> 01:18:50,370
don't think so we're we weren't born

1717
01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:50,940
yesterday

1718
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:53,100
we've been learning along the way as

1719
01:18:59,960 --> 01:18:56,640
well right now you know I said when I

1720
01:19:02,420 --> 01:18:59,970
was talking to Lou in the corridor and

1721
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:02,430
in Cherry Hill regular guy and we got

1722
01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:04,170
you know because I'm in the fine arts

1723
01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:06,300
and antiques and all that he was showing

1724
01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:08,580
me pictures on his phone of things that

1725
01:19:14,150 --> 01:19:11,190
he's collecting and you know we had a

1726
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:14,160
great conversation and you know I said

1727
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:17,490
to him I said you really if I invite you

1728
01:19:22,430 --> 01:19:19,020
to on the show you probably couldn't

1729
01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:22,440
come on a regular UFO show could you and

1730
01:19:26,990 --> 01:19:25,560
he said well he said well I would but

1731
01:19:30,230 --> 01:19:27,000
you'd have to you know you'd have to

1732
01:19:33,980 --> 01:19:30,240
talk to not as publicist oh maybe it is

1733
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,990
a publicist for TS t TSA or whatever it

1734
01:19:38,530 --> 01:19:36,000
is but I'd have to clear it have to be

1735
01:19:41,870 --> 01:19:38,540
cleared with them I didn't even try

1736
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:41,880
y'all because this and that it's it's

1737
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:45,450
just a no-go and you know I never really

1738
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:47,250
thought about it that much until you you

1739
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:48,690
just brought this up during the show

1740
01:19:55,569 --> 01:19:51,570
that you know they don't need

1741
01:19:58,490 --> 01:19:55,579
as much as we want to be needed you know

1742
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:58,500
they got the money yeah you could go get

1743
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:00,960
their own evidence and not only that you

1744
01:20:07,490 --> 01:20:03,360
know they may be able to get in some

1745
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:07,500
answers but but the fact is that they're

1746
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:09,510
trying to get the information to the

1747
01:20:17,180 --> 01:20:12,719
public and that's kind of what our goal

1748
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:17,190
has been you know really is to get you

1749
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:18,690
know information out there and you know

1750
01:20:27,740 --> 01:20:23,329
the so-called disclosure as you say but

1751
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:27,750
that word yeah that's a horrible noise I

1752
01:20:32,780 --> 01:20:29,820
make but uh you know I don't yeah the

1753
01:20:35,419 --> 01:20:32,790
word disclosure it's just but things

1754
01:20:39,490 --> 01:20:35,429
aren't gonna be breaking open and you

1755
01:20:42,379 --> 01:20:39,500
know I love the fact that I saw Martin

1756
01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:42,389
at the citizens hearing for disclosure a

1757
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:45,960
few years back you know these former

1758
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:49,560
Congress and Senators first of all Steve

1759
01:20:54,729 --> 01:20:51,210
Bassett took a lot of heat because they

1760
01:20:58,399 --> 01:20:54,739
weren't you know they were former well

1761
01:21:00,050 --> 01:20:58,409
congresswoman Kirkpatrick people are

1762
01:21:02,209 --> 01:21:00,060
crazy if they don't think that that

1763
01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:02,219
woman could pick up the phone to Obama

1764
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:03,869
and he would pick up for her and

1765
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:05,940
probably not half of the active or

1766
01:21:11,209 --> 01:21:07,650
serving members of the House and Senate

1767
01:21:13,069 --> 01:21:11,219
now they don't know how DC works if they

1768
01:21:17,209 --> 01:21:13,079
looked at these guys as impotent in any

1769
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:17,219
way but I saw a Monday these very

1770
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:20,820
professional people sit on a panel in

1771
01:21:27,020 --> 01:21:23,730
front of everybody and they were polite

1772
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,030
they were very polite they paid

1773
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:30,239
attention and very proud moment when I

1774
01:21:34,100 --> 01:21:31,679
watched friends like Richard and Linda

1775
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,110
raise their right hand and swear in I

1776
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:36,480
mean it was all absolutely according to

1777
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:38,730
all the rules if this was done at the

1778
01:21:46,220 --> 01:21:42,570
Capitol or you know Senate room and by

1779
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:46,230
Wednesday these same former lawmakers

1780
01:21:50,930 --> 01:21:49,050
were pointing fingers are saying we need

1781
01:21:53,660 --> 01:21:50,940
to open those files we need more

1782
01:21:56,959 --> 01:21:53,670
information I walked away from that here

1783
01:21:59,060 --> 01:21:56,969
and knowing one thing and that is with

1784
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:59,070
the right education the right commentary

1785
01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:02,400
I watched them understand that this is a

1786
01:22:06,780 --> 01:22:03,910
real phenomena and

1787
01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:06,790
you want answers too and if we can do

1788
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:09,880
that if those people those witnesses

1789
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,810
could convince six of them we need to be

1790
01:22:17,550 --> 01:22:15,280
talking to the people that are actually

1791
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:17,560
in charge of threat assessment and

1792
01:22:21,150 --> 01:22:20,080
intelligence committee the council of

1793
01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:21,160
national security

1794
01:22:27,330 --> 01:22:24,670
why are we not at the UN you know

1795
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:27,340
watching what just happened it's not

1796
01:22:32,250 --> 01:22:30,130
only possible it's going to happen it

1797
01:22:35,310 --> 01:22:32,260
has to happen and I really believe more

1798
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:35,320
in the a tip coming out mood coming out

1799
01:22:41,010 --> 01:22:38,230
what he's done to the Stars is a group

1800
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:41,020
that's entertainment and science but

1801
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:44,410
let's not forget a tip and Lou what he's

1802
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:47,770
done for you follow gee brilliant and

1803
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:50,850
I'm also gonna throw Bigelow in there

1804
01:22:57,870 --> 01:22:54,880
this man has put more money into ufology

1805
01:23:02,730 --> 01:22:57,880
than anyone else I know other than maybe

1806
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:02,740
Yuri you know in Russia but he's never

1807
01:23:11,250 --> 01:23:06,400
stopped he's interviewed professional

1808
01:23:14,130 --> 01:23:11,260
aerospace company CEO and he's asked the

1809
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:14,140
question about aliens on 60 minutes and

1810
01:23:20,690 --> 01:23:16,860
he doesn't waver and he stood firm and

1811
01:23:24,030 --> 01:23:20,700
he said what he said how do we not

1812
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:24,040
respect somebody that tells the truth

1813
01:23:30,750 --> 01:23:27,610
even when it could hurt him and he said

1814
01:23:33,540 --> 01:23:30,760
give a damn that's right that's right

1815
01:23:35,310 --> 01:23:33,550
and he doesn't need the ufologists to

1816
01:23:38,580 --> 01:23:35,320
continue his belief or to collect

1817
01:23:40,890 --> 01:23:38,590
evidence so if I think if we as

1818
01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:40,900
ufologists just kind of take a lead

1819
01:23:47,610 --> 01:23:44,950
maybe get back to our roots of critical

1820
01:23:49,620 --> 01:23:47,620
thinking get back to our roots of nuts

1821
01:23:52,110 --> 01:23:49,630
you know that nuts and bolts and real

1822
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:52,120
investigation calling sources working

1823
01:23:59,060 --> 01:23:55,360
the phones offering the public probative

1824
01:24:02,910 --> 01:23:59,070
information go back to the cache landrum

1825
01:24:06,180 --> 01:24:02,920
UFO incident that would pass a court of

1826
01:24:07,950 --> 01:24:06,190
law John Schuessler was amazing getting

1827
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:07,960
that information look at some of these

1828
01:24:13,220 --> 01:24:10,810
files of the people in our past McDonald

1829
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:13,230
Kehoe oh my gosh

1830
01:24:17,729 --> 01:24:15,730
we have to get back to those roots and

1831
01:24:22,140 --> 01:24:17,739
stop spending so much time on Facebook

1832
01:24:24,299 --> 01:24:22,150
arguing and and proclamation you know

1833
01:24:25,770 --> 01:24:24,309
when people come at me and say well I

1834
01:24:29,069 --> 01:24:25,780
don't believe this well why where's your

1835
01:24:32,189 --> 01:24:29,079
proof you think it's this I have all my

1836
01:24:35,299 --> 01:24:32,199
stuff on the table I have my labs I have

1837
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:35,309
my work all my notes where's your stuff

1838
01:24:41,790 --> 01:24:40,210
you know I have no time on Facebook you

1839
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:41,800
can't you could go on and you could I

1840
01:24:45,509 --> 01:24:43,210
think it tells you last time I've been

1841
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:45,519
on was probably three weeks ago I have

1842
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:47,050
no time for this anymore I've no time

1843
01:24:52,589 --> 01:24:50,760
for gossip and the bullcrap and the anti

1844
01:24:54,899 --> 01:24:52,599
the disruption

1845
01:24:57,689 --> 01:24:54,909
I believe that's also purposeful and

1846
01:25:00,239 --> 01:24:57,699
it's put in here for a lot of reasons

1847
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,249
and then it's fed I call it feeding the

1848
01:25:05,459 --> 01:25:03,280
monsters you you know who the big mouths

1849
01:25:07,290 --> 01:25:05,469
are you know who the big dogs are that

1850
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:07,300
aren't afraid to bite and you keep

1851
01:25:11,549 --> 01:25:09,130
feeding them and you keep feeding them

1852
01:25:14,009 --> 01:25:11,559
and you keep feeding them because they

1853
01:25:17,129 --> 01:25:14,019
keep this and the more they keep

1854
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:17,139
ratcheting up the more distraction on

1855
01:25:22,770 --> 01:25:19,449
the real truth especially when they're

1856
01:25:26,009 --> 01:25:22,780
going after people that have a history

1857
01:25:29,129 --> 01:25:26,019
and are known to tell the truth or to be

1858
01:25:32,549 --> 01:25:29,139
out there giving real information

1859
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:32,559
I'd be punk the Starchild skull that was

1860
01:25:35,939 --> 01:25:34,570
a big deal I mean you know there's tens

1861
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:35,949
of thousands of people that knew that

1862
01:25:40,410 --> 01:25:38,800
was an alien and the truth is science

1863
01:25:44,069 --> 01:25:40,420
doesn't care what we believe sorry guys

1864
01:25:46,529 --> 01:25:44,079
it's human here's the proof and we put

1865
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:46,539
so much out there and and control that

1866
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:50,320
in a way you do everything you knew what

1867
01:25:55,859 --> 01:25:53,170
labs are the DNA labs we used you knew

1868
01:25:58,620 --> 01:25:55,869
who did it the man who did the testing

1869
01:26:01,169 --> 01:25:58,630
is on the record so you can call and bet

1870
01:26:02,540 --> 01:26:01,179
him so you know when we when you have

1871
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:02,550
people out here that you know are

1872
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:04,570
telling his truth no matter where it

1873
01:26:08,959 --> 01:26:06,369
leads even if it's human and not alien

1874
01:26:11,939 --> 01:26:08,969
you know these aren't headline seekers

1875
01:26:13,709 --> 01:26:11,949
they there's many out here

1876
01:26:15,919 --> 01:26:13,719
those are people I want to talk to these

1877
01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:15,929
days I don't do a lot of radio shows

1878
01:26:21,209 --> 01:26:18,760
I've actually turned a couple down this

1879
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:21,219
year I'll be all ready and I'm only

1880
01:26:25,319 --> 01:26:23,170
going to be doing the ones where they

1881
01:26:28,859 --> 01:26:25,329
have professional people behind that

1882
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:28,869
truly understand the phenomena and want

1883
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:30,330
to get

1884
01:26:35,150 --> 01:26:33,510
real information out to the public none

1885
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:35,160
of the silliness or bravado or

1886
01:26:41,180 --> 01:26:40,110
look-at-me tactics and white just who

1887
01:26:44,780 --> 01:26:41,190
you were is talking a minute ago about

1888
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:44,790
social media Facebook and why do you

1889
01:26:53,210 --> 01:26:48,890
think that is such a breeding ground for

1890
01:26:56,180 --> 01:26:53,220
argument of and proclamations I'm I I'd

1891
01:26:59,210 --> 01:26:56,190
rarely very very rarely get into a UFO

1892
01:27:01,790 --> 01:26:59,220
subject there but I did just a little

1893
01:27:05,690 --> 01:27:01,800
blurb the other day and wow I couldn't

1894
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:05,700
believe the hammering right I know and

1895
01:27:14,150 --> 01:27:09,600
it's just basically opinions and do you

1896
01:27:16,700 --> 01:27:14,160
think that for the new person someone

1897
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:16,710
that you know I think there are a lot of

1898
01:27:22,250 --> 01:27:19,890
new people actually listen and to this

1899
01:27:23,870 --> 01:27:22,260
show and in other shows and because

1900
01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:23,880
they're fascinated and a lot of that

1901
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:26,760
does have to do with the Pentagon

1902
01:27:31,010 --> 01:27:28,530
you know article that came out a year

1903
01:27:36,250 --> 01:27:31,020
ago and and by the way it's been over

1904
01:27:40,490 --> 01:27:36,260
that you you were on in November of last

1905
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:40,500
last year 2017 so this all happened

1906
01:27:46,130 --> 01:27:42,810
since you know you this article came out

1907
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:46,140
since you were on then but there are new

1908
01:27:51,020 --> 01:27:47,970
people coming in do you think that

1909
01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:51,030
social media just kind of forces them

1910
01:27:55,580 --> 01:27:53,490
out you know away from the topic if they

1911
01:28:01,570 --> 01:27:55,590
start looking into the subject that way

1912
01:28:05,900 --> 01:28:01,580
I do i you know who wants to enter a

1913
01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:05,910
cesspool it really is I mean who wants

1914
01:28:09,860 --> 01:28:07,800
to get involved in that and all some

1915
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:09,870
have your name targeted so they you know

1916
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:11,730
everybody's on your page throw in the

1917
01:28:17,780 --> 01:28:14,730
shade right it's you know who wants to

1918
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:17,790
do that I can tell you that a lot of

1919
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,590
people don't anymore those they'll keep

1920
01:28:23,180 --> 01:28:21,360
it very quiet but they are coming to

1921
01:28:26,990 --> 01:28:23,190
MUFON and they are coming to shows like

1922
01:28:29,420 --> 01:28:27,000
yours and they aren't listening to open

1923
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:29,430
minds and and reading articles ollie on

1924
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:31,440
door puts out I mean they are finding

1925
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:35,120
the places but it's it's not curvy on on

1926
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:38,250
the social media I don't need to see

1927
01:28:43,190 --> 01:28:41,760
where's the information where's where's

1928
01:28:46,340 --> 01:28:43,200
the good hey

1929
01:28:48,170 --> 01:28:46,350
guys did you see this you put that up

1930
01:28:50,180 --> 01:28:48,180
and ten minutes later it's like this

1931
01:28:52,580 --> 01:28:50,190
whole thing on the new latest one the

1932
01:28:55,130 --> 01:28:52,590
Mexican the alleged crashed right over

1933
01:28:56,540 --> 01:28:55,140
the border and El Paso you know when two

1934
01:28:58,340 --> 01:28:56,550
people run over and they're pulling this

1935
01:29:02,020 --> 01:28:58,350
stuff and they give it to these United

1936
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:02,030
States oh my God look at that bread its

1937
01:29:09,140 --> 01:29:04,970
analysis of the small plane collision

1938
01:29:11,180 --> 01:29:09,150
supposedly and the army shows up yeah

1939
01:29:14,750 --> 01:29:11,190
I tell you tell you a story about that I

1940
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:14,760
had bill burns on I don't know a couple

1941
01:29:19,730 --> 01:29:16,770
years ago and we were talking about that

1942
01:29:23,390 --> 01:29:19,740
case and someone oh this was just a

1943
01:29:26,330 --> 01:29:23,400
couple days ago oh I know I guess so I

1944
01:29:29,870 --> 01:29:26,340
had someone say that they were actually

1945
01:29:31,790 --> 01:29:29,880
there you know they were in you know and

1946
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:31,800
you know wanted to get interviewed and

1947
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:33,210
bill was all excited about it we got all

1948
01:29:37,130 --> 01:29:35,370
the information I started doing research

1949
01:29:42,650 --> 01:29:37,140
on the guy and I found out he would have

1950
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:42,660
been eight years old so another you know

1951
01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:44,580
there are out there you have to watch

1952
01:29:46,460 --> 01:29:45,960
for that so this thread just came out

1953
01:29:49,730 --> 01:29:46,470
recently

1954
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:49,740
yeah and it's breaking on Facebook and

1955
01:29:56,060 --> 01:29:51,330
of course you know MUFON ends up getting

1956
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:56,070
a report on it so you know we have great

1957
01:30:00,890 --> 01:29:58,080
investigator investigators down in El

1958
01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:00,900
Paso that actually have nice links in

1959
01:30:08,210 --> 01:30:03,480
Mexico so you know we're working the

1960
01:30:10,460 --> 01:30:08,220
case but you know it's ten minutes old

1961
01:30:13,250 --> 01:30:10,470
people don't even know the facts and

1962
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:13,260
they're already hammering and cheering

1963
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:15,120
and you know whatever the reaction was

1964
01:30:21,140 --> 01:30:19,050
it's there are no facts and already the

1965
01:30:24,380 --> 01:30:21,150
threads you know going crazy and and

1966
01:30:26,510 --> 01:30:24,390
good and bad and I I just I don't know

1967
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:26,520
maybe I'm old school I just I just don't

1968
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:28,770
want to do that I I respect people that

1969
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:31,290
go to a source it was like the Malibu

1970
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:33,690
underwater base yeah you know that

1971
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:36,210
report I did it completely it's a first

1972
01:30:44,330 --> 01:30:40,110
fall but it surprised me no one called

1973
01:30:48,260 --> 01:30:44,340
Google what no one called them and said

1974
01:30:51,650 --> 01:30:48,270
hey how how does this structure look so

1975
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:51,660
amazing like a man-made structure appear

1976
01:30:55,170 --> 01:30:53,530
and for the depth it is why

1977
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:55,180
are we not seeing every other downed

1978
01:31:01,080 --> 01:30:57,760
aircraft or ill sunken boat and treasure

1979
01:31:03,090 --> 01:31:01,090
ship you know out there why does this

1980
01:31:04,530 --> 01:31:03,100
stand out as such an anomaly come on

1981
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:04,540
guys did you fake it like what are you

1982
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:08,650
doing and they and in my report I named

1983
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:10,930
exactly who I talk to and why I called

1984
01:31:15,540 --> 01:31:12,850
Google and exactly how they do it and

1985
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:15,550
the computer actually fills in the gaps

1986
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:19,090
that's right - that love triangle on the

1987
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:21,850
moon that was the same thing and when

1988
01:31:26,970 --> 01:31:23,920
you find out how they do it but it

1989
01:31:30,180 --> 01:31:26,980
surprises me as much as its much hoopla

1990
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:30,190
over this underwater anomaly yeah we've

1991
01:31:36,150 --> 01:31:32,560
seen on the internet that nobody called

1992
01:31:38,820 --> 01:31:36,160
Google yes the pit be the author of the

1993
01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:38,830
photograph which is not a photograph but

1994
01:31:45,090 --> 01:31:41,590
you know it's like you know we forgot

1995
01:31:48,020 --> 01:31:45,100
how to investigate is my point and books

1996
01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:48,030
were written on it and big conspiracy

1997
01:31:54,210 --> 01:31:51,310
television shows it was very very invest

1998
01:31:56,730 --> 01:31:54,220
invested in it that was yes yeah I

1999
01:31:59,540 --> 01:31:56,740
remember that and then you learn that

2000
01:32:02,280 --> 01:31:59,550
some people needed it to stay an

2001
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:02,290
underwater alien base that's right

2002
01:32:10,860 --> 01:32:06,130
because that's Bank yeah that's right

2003
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:10,870
that's really sad - so poppin caps see

2004
01:32:15,090 --> 01:32:12,970
in the message room ask why should we

2005
01:32:18,210 --> 01:32:15,100
rely on MUFON shouldn't we learn to

2006
01:32:22,740 --> 01:32:18,220
discern absolutely and discern

2007
01:32:25,950 --> 01:32:22,750
everything this is being smart very

2008
01:32:26,370 --> 01:32:25,960
correct what was his name again pop and

2009
01:32:30,230 --> 01:32:26,380
caps

2010
01:32:34,110 --> 01:32:30,240
see as excellent excellent question and

2011
01:32:35,670 --> 01:32:34,120
it's a good habit you know everybody

2012
01:32:37,740 --> 01:32:35,680
MUFON is not perfect either

2013
01:32:39,630 --> 01:32:37,750
as everyone knows so we have some

2014
01:32:42,810 --> 01:32:39,640
self-inflicted wounds and we have a lot

2015
01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:42,820
of accusations we don't deserve but in

2016
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:46,510
the end I believe nothing of what I hear

2017
01:32:51,870 --> 01:32:49,360
and only half of what I see and that's a

2018
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:51,880
good way to start you walk in and you

2019
01:32:58,560 --> 01:32:53,890
let the evidence take you where you need

2020
01:33:01,020 --> 01:32:58,570
to be it's it's kind of how I keep my

2021
01:33:03,180 --> 01:33:01,030
objectivity well there's there's someone

2022
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:03,190
in the Washington Post a ton of times

2023
01:33:07,470 --> 01:33:06,010
here in the chat room and very

2024
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:07,480
negatively on

2025
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:09,760
and don't trust anyone that promotes to

2026
01:33:15,660 --> 01:33:12,730
the stars Academy scam you know going on

2027
01:33:20,010 --> 01:33:15,670
and on about that and everyone can have

2028
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:20,020
their own opinion of course but to not

2029
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:23,130
for someone to say do not trust chase

2030
01:33:30,450 --> 01:33:27,370
that upsets me Tom so you can go away if

2031
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:30,460
you'd like but hahahaha

2032
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:33,370
Devon endorse to the Stars Academy so if

2033
01:33:37,710 --> 01:33:35,110
that's my accusation from the guy in the

2034
01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:37,720
chat room he's not listening again

2035
01:33:43,230 --> 01:33:40,780
this guy's part of the problem because I

2036
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:43,240
never endorsed him I endorsed a tip and

2037
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:45,850
Lou Elizondo coming out and telling us

2038
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:48,130
that Pentagon I have never endorsed I

2039
01:33:51,630 --> 01:33:50,290
called them an entertainment and science

2040
01:33:55,170 --> 01:33:51,640
organization period

2041
01:33:56,580 --> 01:33:55,180
I don't endorse or I don't slam I don't

2042
01:33:58,650 --> 01:33:56,590
really have an opinion I don't know

2043
01:34:01,080 --> 01:33:58,660
enough about to the Stars Academy yeah

2044
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:01,090
but I do know about eight them that is a

2045
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:05,890
problem because people do not have a lot

2046
01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:08,490
of people don't have the information and

2047
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:11,230
make an opinion before they even have

2048
01:34:15,180 --> 01:34:13,090
the information and you know that's

2049
01:34:19,530 --> 01:34:15,190
what's going on here what do we look for

2050
01:34:22,260 --> 01:34:19,540
with a whistleblowers credible witnesses

2051
01:34:24,930 --> 01:34:22,270
blue is he hasn't lied about his

2052
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:24,940
background not one iota I have verified

2053
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:27,760
that and so as many other people by the

2054
01:34:32,820 --> 01:34:31,090
way I'm not the only one and what's he

2055
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:32,830
saying what does he said that it's been

2056
01:34:40,710 --> 01:34:36,490
untrue so far so until I have a reason

2057
01:34:42,930 --> 01:34:40,720
to distrust or call this man a liar with

2058
01:34:46,170 --> 01:34:42,940
his background if I don't have that

2059
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:46,180
proof I'm not going there and again this

2060
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:49,330
is the problem with people that just

2061
01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:52,210
want to come on and throw shade you know

2062
01:34:59,040 --> 01:34:55,270
this is you know they know better why

2063
01:35:02,340 --> 01:34:59,050
give me your proof if I'm not supposed

2064
01:35:04,440 --> 01:35:02,350
to trust this or anything I've said turn

2065
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:04,450
out to be untrue knock yourselves out

2066
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:05,050
guys

2067
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:08,050
don't follow me like I have no problem

2068
01:35:12,090 --> 01:35:10,570
with this because I tell you what we

2069
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:12,100
have our head down and my head is going

2070
01:35:17,970 --> 01:35:15,250
to be so down in 2019 because I don't

2071
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:17,980
want to miss the important facts I don't

2072
01:35:21,060 --> 01:35:19,770
want to miss any of our opportunities

2073
01:35:23,609 --> 01:35:21,070
because I'm

2074
01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:23,619
too busy hatin and pointing fingers at

2075
01:35:27,300 --> 01:35:25,300
people when three are looking back at me

2076
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:27,310
mm-hmm

2077
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:29,530
one of the conversations I mentioned the

2078
01:35:34,109 --> 01:35:32,320
other day I was talking with Scott

2079
01:35:37,770 --> 01:35:34,119
Ramsey on the phone for quite a while

2080
01:35:39,629 --> 01:35:37,780
and you know one of the things that

2081
01:35:41,729 --> 01:35:39,639
comes up a lot of my shows where people

2082
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:41,739
will email me about why do you only talk

2083
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:45,130
about old cases and that was the subject

2084
01:35:51,050 --> 01:35:47,170
that he and I were speaking about and a

2085
01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:51,060
lot of the reason is because the

2086
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:53,860
material becomes non classified after a

2087
01:35:59,310 --> 01:35:55,690
while and you can get more information

2088
01:36:00,740 --> 01:35:59,320
and which I think is important and a lot

2089
01:36:03,330 --> 01:36:00,750
of things are unfolding and you know I

2090
01:36:08,339 --> 01:36:03,340
personally told him I was a total

2091
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:08,349
skeptic of the Aztec the Aztec crash and

2092
01:36:13,319 --> 01:36:11,679
he said he was to 100% and then you kept

2093
01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:13,329
digging into it and finding more

2094
01:36:18,930 --> 01:36:15,340
information that was being Declassified

2095
01:36:21,180 --> 01:36:18,940
and going oh he was actually discouraged

2096
01:36:24,030 --> 01:36:21,190
that he found out well this is actually

2097
01:36:26,879 --> 01:36:24,040
turning into something what is the

2098
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,889
average year that government documents

2099
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:28,800
or things like this would be classified

2100
01:36:34,109 --> 01:36:31,810
by years isn't it and that what are we

2101
01:36:37,169 --> 01:36:34,119
coming up on yeah 50 years of some of

2102
01:36:38,879 --> 01:36:37,179
the biggest stuff so he's absolutely

2103
01:36:40,859 --> 01:36:38,889
right we're gonna have more and more

2104
01:36:42,890 --> 01:36:40,869
answers if we're paying attention to the

2105
01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:42,900
documents that are being Declassified

2106
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:45,460
I'm afraid we're going to lose our

2107
01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:46,449
Stanton Freeman's

2108
01:36:50,939 --> 01:36:48,369
I'm afraid we're going to lose the

2109
01:36:52,709 --> 01:36:50,949
people that you know broke open some of

2110
01:36:54,750 --> 01:36:52,719
these big cases and you know they put

2111
01:36:57,300 --> 01:36:54,760
boots to the ground and did interviews

2112
01:37:00,780 --> 01:36:57,310
and wrote notes and face to face with

2113
01:37:05,149 --> 01:37:00,790
witnesses and and I'm afraid we're going

2114
01:37:07,979 --> 01:37:05,159
to lose these people to the rhetoric on

2115
01:37:10,319 --> 01:37:07,989
like the social media and just you know

2116
01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:10,329
some of these open forums it's easy to

2117
01:37:15,419 --> 01:37:12,280
throw Barb's when you can when you can

2118
01:37:17,550 --> 01:37:15,429
have a name like twit see but or you

2119
01:37:19,530 --> 01:37:17,560
know whatever and it's easy to throw

2120
01:37:22,859 --> 01:37:19,540
shame you're completely anonymous in the

2121
01:37:25,649 --> 01:37:22,869
back but stand up and debate a Richard

2122
01:37:30,649 --> 01:37:25,659
Dolan or one of our great sandy follow G

2123
01:37:33,689 --> 01:37:30,659
and and comment them with your

2124
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:33,699
admissible facts and and your debate

2125
01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:34,719
points

2126
01:37:40,050 --> 01:37:37,960
and even common sense come at us and

2127
01:37:43,170 --> 01:37:40,060
let's have a conversation

2128
01:37:46,410 --> 01:37:43,180
but you know unfortunately a lot of

2129
01:37:48,060 --> 01:37:46,420
people are just stepping back and you

2130
01:37:49,470 --> 01:37:48,070
know doing their thing internally and

2131
01:37:53,700 --> 01:37:49,480
we're going to end up with these little

2132
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:53,710
think tanks and little groups that you

2133
01:37:58,020 --> 01:37:55,449
know people are now going to accuse of

2134
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:58,030
you know we're all hiding our stuff or

2135
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:00,880
or even coming together much like at a

2136
01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:04,510
tip or two the third Academy little

2137
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:06,820
pockets of information because who wants

2138
01:38:11,310 --> 01:38:09,010
to stand out there and even put up with

2139
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:11,320
that I don't right right we have a

2140
01:38:18,209 --> 01:38:13,840
caller caller your first name where you

2141
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:18,219
calling from my name is I'm coming from

2142
01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:20,800
Stockholm Sweden oh hey welcome to the

2143
01:38:27,630 --> 01:38:22,750
show what time is it there yeah thank

2144
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:27,640
you know it's about 6 o'clock p.m. ah

2145
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:29,860
all right well thanks so much for

2146
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:31,090
calling in you have a question for our

2147
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:32,130
guest

2148
01:38:41,070 --> 01:38:36,449
yeah what's their show from the start so

2149
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:41,080
my question was about this is Starchild

2150
01:38:47,550 --> 01:38:44,110
skull what's happened there to help

2151
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:47,560
today in the investigation oh I believe

2152
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:50,800
she did speak on that so you did miss

2153
01:38:55,740 --> 01:38:52,960
that part of it but well go ahead and a

2154
01:39:00,360 --> 01:38:55,750
nutshell up if you want to chase and

2155
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:00,370
talk about that we did hi Andres and

2156
01:39:05,340 --> 01:39:02,410
thanks so much for calling especially

2157
01:39:07,170 --> 01:39:05,350
you know Sweden we you know we knew we

2158
01:39:09,870 --> 01:39:07,180
had a few audience internationally but

2159
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:09,880
that's that's so awesome thank you the

2160
01:39:16,140 --> 01:39:13,810
Starchild skull was what was a difficult

2161
01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:16,150
investigation to get into because Lloyd

2162
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:18,310
Pye was so loved and of course the

2163
01:39:25,620 --> 01:39:21,010
Starchild people desperately wanted this

2164
01:39:27,209 --> 01:39:25,630
to be alien or hybrid and unfortunately

2165
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:27,219
science doesn't care what we believe or

2166
01:39:35,150 --> 01:39:30,400
what we want I really wanted an alien

2167
01:39:38,670 --> 01:39:35,160
who doesn't but unfortunately all of the

2168
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:38,680
DNA testing that I did and Melanie young

2169
01:39:44,540 --> 01:39:40,810
and Carrie McClure it was a team of

2170
01:39:47,550 --> 01:39:44,550
three of us the three of us it all

2171
01:39:49,470 --> 01:39:47,560
matched exactly what Lloyd's DNA

2172
01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:49,480
testing was finding is that was the

2173
01:39:56,750 --> 01:39:53,380
maternal DNA was absolutely human we did

2174
01:39:58,700 --> 01:39:56,760
get the paternal or the nuclear DNA and

2175
01:40:01,170 --> 01:39:58,710
unfortunately that was always the

2176
01:40:04,650 --> 01:40:01,180
anticipation that yes that's going to be

2177
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:04,660
the unidentified part and it wasn't it's

2178
01:40:11,670 --> 01:40:08,890
completely human and we found some of

2179
01:40:13,980 --> 01:40:11,680
the genetic markers for the disease for

2180
01:40:18,050 --> 01:40:13,990
the shape of the head and we even found

2181
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:18,060
the hello group of the little Starchild

2182
01:40:24,570 --> 01:40:20,800
since its investigation Melanie young

2183
01:40:27,900 --> 01:40:24,580
the owner has repatriated the Starchild

2184
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:27,910
skull the original little guy back to

2185
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:32,560
his people in Mexico and ice that's good

2186
01:40:38,220 --> 01:40:34,810
yes that's a really big deal you know

2187
01:40:42,090 --> 01:40:38,230
this little guy even before Lloyd had

2188
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:42,100
him had been lacquered put it on a

2189
01:40:48,930 --> 01:40:46,210
plaque hung on a wall has ball caps put

2190
01:40:54,270 --> 01:40:48,940
on him for pictures cigarettes hanging

2191
01:40:57,540 --> 01:40:54,280
out of his mouth I mean I am my heart is

2192
01:41:02,310 --> 01:40:57,550
is happy that he is now back where he

2193
01:41:03,930 --> 01:41:02,320
belongs with his people yeah excellent

2194
01:41:08,910 --> 01:41:03,940
did you have any address do you have any

2195
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:08,920
other questions yeah well stop

2196
01:41:13,110 --> 01:41:10,960
questioning my head and I'm very

2197
01:41:15,540 --> 01:41:13,120
grateful for that answer

2198
01:41:16,590 --> 01:41:15,550
Thank You chief and you have a very good

2199
01:41:21,210 --> 01:41:16,600
show

2200
01:41:25,460 --> 01:41:21,220
so thank you keep it up and Happy New

2201
01:41:29,310 --> 01:41:25,470
Year yes happy new yeah thanks a lot

2202
01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:29,320
hey he's got an awesome show stay tuned

2203
01:41:36,630 --> 01:41:34,750
every week so we have we have like up I

2204
01:41:41,310 --> 01:41:36,640
don't know maybe five five we could go

2205
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:41,320
ten more minutes or so and I think

2206
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:43,090
there's been some good callers and the

2207
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:46,330
line actually I just took the number

2208
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:48,610
down so we wouldn't take any other calls

2209
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:50,530
but I could take another call if someone

2210
01:41:54,540 --> 01:41:52,930
would like to if someone would like to

2211
01:41:57,150 --> 01:41:54,550
call in I'll pop that number back up

2212
01:42:00,840 --> 01:41:57,160
over there again if anyone would like to

2213
01:42:01,530 --> 01:42:00,850
give a ring so I think we've covered a

2214
01:42:04,050 --> 01:42:01,540
lot of

2215
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:04,060
really good ground and I'm really

2216
01:42:08,670 --> 01:42:07,510
interested if you'd want to come back

2217
01:42:11,010 --> 01:42:08,680
again

2218
01:42:14,430 --> 01:42:11,020
course within a year and we'll talk

2219
01:42:17,670 --> 01:42:14,440
about what your your think-tank came up

2220
01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:17,680
with I mean it's it's really amazing I

2221
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:19,900
mean I watched a film back in the I

2222
01:42:24,660 --> 01:42:22,570
think it was sometime in the 50s it was

2223
01:42:27,570 --> 01:42:24,670
just a clip on YouTube where there was

2224
01:42:29,100 --> 01:42:27,580
this guy saying I hope I hope I hope I

2225
01:42:31,290 --> 01:42:29,110
find out the answer in my lifetime and

2226
01:42:35,970 --> 01:42:31,300
he looked like he was about in his you

2227
01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:35,980
know 60s 1950 and I think that's the way

2228
01:42:41,220 --> 01:42:39,490
a lot of people have a feeling this is

2229
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:41,230
sup I got to tell you since this last

2230
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:43,330
year is the first time that I've felt

2231
01:42:48,510 --> 01:42:46,000
like there is a possibility that we may

2232
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:48,520
know something you know the last time we

2233
01:42:54,510 --> 01:42:50,890
had a chance like this was the era

2234
01:42:56,610 --> 01:42:54,520
weirdly Spiegel and people forget he

2235
01:42:59,220 --> 01:42:56,620
spoke at the UN that's right he had the

2236
01:43:02,460 --> 01:42:59,230
ear they had a panel and you know he was

2237
01:43:05,310 --> 01:43:02,470
with a couple others but um thank you so

2238
01:43:08,190 --> 01:43:05,320
we design or something yes we need to

2239
01:43:11,010 --> 01:43:08,200
get back to that type of ufology

2240
01:43:13,740 --> 01:43:11,020
that type of research and determination

2241
01:43:17,130 --> 01:43:13,750
and this stuff's not for the faint of

2242
01:43:19,620 --> 01:43:17,140
heart it's not this isn't x-files where

2243
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,630
you know we're getting cool car chases

2244
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:21,520
and you know all the excitement and

2245
01:43:26,910 --> 01:43:23,730
break it into top-secret security bases

2246
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:26,920
this is about sitting in dirty little

2247
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,010
basements at the National Archives and

2248
01:43:33,810 --> 01:43:32,320
going through boxes you looking for

2249
01:43:36,030 --> 01:43:33,820
anything little piece of paper or a

2250
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:36,040
little mark that would indicate oh

2251
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:37,810
there's something here and this paper

2252
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:40,510
didn't belong here you know there's a

2253
01:43:49,190 --> 01:43:43,690
lot of you know sitting back and just

2254
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:49,200
you know a lot of a lot of legwork and

2255
01:43:54,990 --> 01:43:51,760
consideration what's admissible or not

2256
01:43:56,850 --> 01:43:55,000
but that's my goal this year I don't

2257
01:43:59,010 --> 01:43:56,860
care about lights in the sky I know that

2258
01:44:02,760 --> 01:43:59,020
sounds terrible but we have tens of

2259
01:44:05,010 --> 01:44:02,770
thousands of these reports yeah we want

2260
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:05,020
the evidence yeah that's our job the

2261
01:44:10,230 --> 01:44:07,840
public has heard enough opinion they've

2262
01:44:12,690 --> 01:44:10,240
heard enough proclamation they have

2263
01:44:15,179 --> 01:44:12,700
heard what we believe they have heard

2264
01:44:19,799 --> 01:44:15,189
everything what they need to hear is

2265
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:19,809
fact evidential back oh that's it yeah

2266
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:22,449
I had the great fortune I had David

2267
01:44:27,870 --> 01:44:26,320
O'Leary from from his creative project

2268
01:44:30,989 --> 01:44:27,880
Bluebook on the History Channel what i

2269
01:44:32,549 --> 01:44:30,999
did is i i i can't the History Channel

2270
01:44:36,350 --> 01:44:32,559
actually contacts me a number of times

2271
01:44:37,799 --> 01:44:36,360
and asked me you know four four

2272
01:44:40,259 --> 01:44:37,809
different people for different

2273
01:44:42,449 --> 01:44:40,269
situations things like that and so I

2274
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:42,459
contacted them and said hey you have

2275
01:44:45,659 --> 01:44:44,050
Project Blue Book I'd like to be able to

2276
01:44:48,299 --> 01:44:45,669
interview someone and they got me in

2277
01:44:50,339 --> 01:44:48,309
touch with David O'Leary great guy

2278
01:44:53,850 --> 01:44:50,349
really nice guy interviewed him long ago

2279
01:44:56,489 --> 01:44:53,860
and so then the other day I got this

2280
01:44:59,640 --> 01:44:56,499
little email that said screeners

2281
01:45:01,589 --> 01:44:59,650
available to me because I featured him

2282
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:01,599
on the show so I got to watch the first

2283
01:45:06,810 --> 01:45:04,719
six episodes of Project Blue Book oh my

2284
01:45:09,989 --> 01:45:06,820
gosh what's that amazing and I also

2285
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:09,999
heard Richard Dolan they have him now

2286
01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:12,249
coming in and weighing in after every

2287
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:13,689
single episode oh yeah they're gonna

2288
01:45:18,540 --> 01:45:15,489
have like a separate show or they

2289
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:18,550
they'll have yeah like don't talk about

2290
01:45:24,029 --> 01:45:20,650
the cases in reality basically they have

2291
01:45:26,429 --> 01:45:24,039
their their fiction and but it based on

2292
01:45:28,109 --> 01:45:26,439
reality and you know some of it and I've

2293
01:45:31,169 --> 01:45:28,119
even talked to I talked to David

2294
01:45:33,089 --> 01:45:31,179
yesterday just you know briefly I said I

2295
01:45:34,620 --> 01:45:33,099
love the show love it and I think

2296
01:45:36,540 --> 01:45:34,630
everybody that sent to the topic is

2297
01:45:38,580 --> 01:45:36,550
really going to love it too it does

2298
01:45:41,159 --> 01:45:38,590
embellish a little bit heavy here and

2299
01:45:43,049 --> 01:45:41,169
there but that's where they're gonna

2300
01:45:44,729 --> 01:45:43,059
kind of counterbalance by having you

2301
01:45:46,799 --> 01:45:44,739
know someone like Dolan come in and talk

2302
01:45:51,589 --> 01:45:46,809
about the real and Jacques fillet I know

2303
01:45:54,540 --> 01:45:51,599
that he's been yes yes yeah it's amazing

2304
01:45:57,870 --> 01:45:54,550
that they've there been that diligent as

2305
01:45:59,250 --> 01:45:57,880
well they really want this even though

2306
01:46:01,679 --> 01:45:59,260
they took some liberties with the

2307
01:46:03,839 --> 01:46:01,689
dramatization they really want to tell

2308
01:46:08,189 --> 01:46:03,849
the truth as well they want this to

2309
01:46:10,979 --> 01:46:08,199
become you know fantastic and but also

2310
01:46:13,739 --> 01:46:10,989
truthful I just really love the

2311
01:46:16,199 --> 01:46:13,749
integrity behind this show - yeah well

2312
01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:16,209
I'm gonna tell the listener out there

2313
01:46:20,129 --> 01:46:18,550
you're gonna love the show I mean I love

2314
01:46:21,870 --> 01:46:20,139
the show I really got into it you get

2315
01:46:25,979 --> 01:46:21,880
really attached to the characters right

2316
01:46:28,350 --> 01:46:25,989
away there are some great actors and so

2317
01:46:29,110 --> 01:46:28,360
the whole the whole ball of wax is it's

2318
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:29,120
just like I

2319
01:46:33,010 --> 01:46:31,010
I've watched the six episodes and I

2320
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:33,020
can't wait for the next one you know

2321
01:46:37,570 --> 01:46:35,810
can't wait I can't wait yeah yeah and

2322
01:46:39,790 --> 01:46:37,580
that starts of January 8 for all the

2323
01:46:41,110 --> 01:46:39,800
listeners out there I think we're gonna

2324
01:46:43,480 --> 01:46:41,120
call it a day

2325
01:46:45,340 --> 01:46:43,490
chase now you have a website just your

2326
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:45,350
name basically and it's not an easy name

2327
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:49,070
to say or spell no it's not but you know

2328
01:46:54,250 --> 01:46:50,570
the first name is chase and that's

2329
01:46:59,350 --> 01:46:54,260
normal CH ASE and the last name is KL o

2330
01:47:03,730 --> 01:46:59,360
e t z ke and it's just chase Klinsky

2331
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:03,740
comm and um you know I wish I wish I was

2332
01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:05,360
more visible on social media I tell

2333
01:47:10,690 --> 01:47:07,490
everybody kept me there you know I love

2334
01:47:13,570 --> 01:47:10,700
hearing from everyone but um you know

2335
01:47:15,370 --> 01:47:13,580
just too busy for the rhetoric so so

2336
01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:15,380
email me or contact me through the

2337
01:47:20,140 --> 01:47:17,510
website that's the easiest way to get me

2338
01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:20,150
now yeah alright chase hey well thanks

2339
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:23,510
so much it's it's been as always your

2340
01:47:28,060 --> 01:47:25,850
you're just wonderful to talk to have

2341
01:47:29,740 --> 01:47:28,070
always had a great time and it's always

2342
01:47:32,020 --> 01:47:29,750
fun to see you at different events as

2343
01:47:34,780 --> 01:47:32,030
well and you take care have a wonderful

2344
01:47:36,580 --> 01:47:34,790
2019 and we'll have you back and you can

2345
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:36,590
tell us what happened with this think

2346
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:37,970
tank I can't wait to talk to you about

2347
01:47:44,110 --> 01:47:41,090
it so awesome thanks Martin as always

2348
01:47:48,010 --> 01:47:44,120
it's been such a pleasure thank you okay

2349
01:47:51,570 --> 01:47:48,020
you take care bye bye bye alright

2350
01:47:54,810 --> 01:47:51,580
everyone so that is it for the show and

2351
01:47:58,090 --> 01:47:54,820
thanks so much for for watching and

2352
01:48:01,840 --> 01:47:58,100
listening and we'll be back next week

2353
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:01,850
and I'm trying to get Robert Powell on

2354
01:48:06,370 --> 01:48:04,250
the show I don't have a confirmation so

2355
01:48:08,500 --> 01:48:06,380
that may or may not be we'll see who

2356
01:48:12,010 --> 01:48:08,510
will be bit well though we will be back

2357
01:48:16,230 --> 01:48:12,020
with and that will be on January 8th on

2358
01:48:18,970 --> 01:48:16,240
Tuesday I believe it's January 8th and

2359
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:18,980
again I want to thank everyone so much

2360
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:22,130
for listening to excuse me listening to

2361
01:48:27,220 --> 01:48:25,370
this show and also for help the people

2362
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:27,230
that helped us out it really means a lot

2363
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:30,050
a lot to me and I really appreciate it

2364
01:48:37,690 --> 01:48:34,130
and so we'll be back next year all right

2365
01:48:40,030 --> 01:48:37,700
keep your eyes to the sky and it hits me

2366
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:40,040
oh my gosh this is that triangle you

2367
01:48:41,780 --> 01:48:40,320
know

2368
01:48:43,459 --> 01:48:41,790
explanation for everything that occurred

2369
01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:43,469
in the Rendlesham forest incident

2370
01:48:48,770 --> 01:48:45,900
it doesn't involve aliens at all it was

2371
01:48:52,129 --> 01:48:48,780
completely silent it comes right over

2372
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:52,139
our head it's so a classic flying-saucer

2373
01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:54,210
really standing in the Clery he turned

2374
01:48:57,530 --> 01:48:56,040
over to my father and held his hand and

2375
01:48:57,870 --> 01:48:57,540
he looked in his eyes and said we're not